re: Debunking Alabama's 12 national titles...

According to an article I read here in Alabama, the school didn't recognize as many until 1993. The media guides only listed 7 or 8 in 92, but jumped to claiming 12 after winning in 92.

Re '77, apparently most of the voters think that beating up on the #1 team is more impressive than beating up on the #8 team. ND & Bama had the same record with ND having the better win. Makes sense to me.

Re '66, what happened in 64 & 65 have nothing to do with it. The voters in 66 believed that ND and MSU were better. I guess they used the "eye test"--maybe you've heard of it, since that is why Alabama is in this year's BCS game.

GEAUX TIGERS

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It's not really fair to bag on Bama when all the other programs in our class use the same standard, imho.

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Well, I will and do, but then again LSU doesn't play those teams and those teams do have a 13 on the side of their helmets for all those titles either. Nice red herring though

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Well, I will and do, but then again LSU doesn't play those teams and those teams do have a 13 on the side of their helmets for all those titles either. Nice red herring though

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Well at least you're being honest. Your stance has more to do with Alabama than with validity of the claims, which is fine by me.

I love it!! So here's the only legitimate solution boys. Count the BCS titles you have and that is the total number of "National Football Titles" that you have.

Basis:
* The BCS is the only truly legitimate, even with its pitfalls, championship in football. It uses computer algorythms/et.al., and two "subjective" polls which is miles and miles better than what we had before.
* You can argue against a BCS title, like Bama's in '09. Should they have gone undefeated and made the title with PP7's "not interception" or the "block in the back" that allowed the touchdown. Even with that argument, Bama won it in '09.
* I lived through the 50's-80's prior to BCS and I can tell you exactly what it was...pure BS for the most part. Metropolitan sports writers and people that watched minimal games that weren't local. Nothing but media darlings and ND.
* Hell it surprised all of us in LA that LSU was voted No. 1 in '58.

So just disregard all prior to BCS. At least now there is a modicrum(?) of legitimacy. Once take this one, we'l have "THREE" which is more than anyone else.

Tks,
Now I'll go back to dinner!

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* The BCS is the only truly legitimate

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So, if we go to a +1 playoff will all of the previous BCSNC's be invalid? Then if we ever go to an 8 team playoff will all the previous +1 NC's be invalid? You see my point? Each era had its own way of determining the best team. If you invalidate any of them you have to invalidate all of them. Bama fans believe all of CFB history is important and deserves recognition.

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I am shocked at the jealously I am reading from LSU fans in this thread. I would have expected it from from an ACC or Big East team but LSU has its own tradition. You would think that LSU would appreciate another team's tradition.

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Your tradition would be a lot more appreciated if Bama didn't embelish so much on an already great tradition. You make everyone question your validity of your tradition when you claim several NC's that are cleary bogus. I will start with 41.

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I dont respect institutional bull shite. We dont even claim all of the bs nc's that we have. We dont even say that our tradition is bigger than bamas. Just know that your ath dept, SID, and board are liars. Be honest. Y dont need to stretch it. The walk of champions says 13. That is institutional lying. No jealousy of that

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+1
Besides, how many Superbowls do they have?

BURN!!!

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Your tradition would be a lot more appreciated if Bama didn't embelish so much on an already great tradition. You make everyone question your validity of your tradition when you claim several NC's that are cleary bogus. I will start with 41.

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This. And at least in my experience, the majority of your fans are a bunch of dickbags so it's fun antagonize you.

Debunking Alabama's 12 national titles...

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How can you say that 64'&65' have nothing to do with it? Would a teams performance the previous 2 yrs have something to do with it today? Of course it would. If a team wins the NC and goes undefeated the next yr its almost impossible not to win it that yr. The biggest reason ND & MSU won it in 66' was due to Bama being an all white team. There was a lot resentment from northern voters back then. But we don't claim it so its a non-issue in this debate.
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I can say it, because we are talking about the National Champion for a specific season, not a running champion of the previous three years. The polls are a beauty contest, and for some reason Alabama didn't look as good as ND or MSU that year. Was it because they didn't have black players? Maybe; I don't know--I wasn't born yet, but it didn't seem to hurt you in '64 & '65. I do know that ND and MSU started the season #1 & #2, and didn't lose. Isn't that enough for them to stay ahead?

Your complaint is exactly the type of sense of entitlement that ticks everybody off. You complain that you lost in '66 only because you didn't look right, but you are in this one because you do look right. You complain about losing in '66 because you weren't as big a name as ND, but you are in the game this year at least in part because you are a bigger name than Ok State, who (while they may not be as good) had a better overall resume.

You have a great tradition. You only sound petty arguing over a number that you come up with by counting titles no other school would count.

Alabama is in it because we earned it - and if we win, I cannot wait to see how many of you rush to solicit an AP title