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re: D Craig on Mobile radio RE "spread offense"

Posted on 12/2/16 at 1:49 pm to
Posted by Blupard
Texas
Member since Sep 2016
582 posts
Posted on 12/2/16 at 1:49 pm to
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The above means adapting to the strengths of the QB. He said he wants a running QBb thus not willing to adapt to the strengths of a pocket QB. How did you not understand that?


You're allowed to recruit for the future you desire while working with what you currently have...
Posted by Datbayoubengal
Port City
Member since Sep 2009
26615 posts
Posted on 12/2/16 at 2:16 pm to
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really? i don't see that. You can pass or run out of spread formations and motions. How can anyone who watches any football not see the power spread/power read run at Florida under CUM, Ohio State under CUM and Auburn under malzahn? How could anyone not see the Spread Option being run by Chip Kelly at Oregon before? I cannot believe all they saw was Mizzou's spread passing under chase daniel or mike leach's air raid or any other spread passing game.


Because those people are whiny old school type folks that only want pocket passers and pro style. You'll notice them when they say anything about;

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1. Never having a defense
- Ohio St begs to differ

2. Throwing all the time
- Again Ohio St, Auburn, Baylor, Oregon, etc, run WAY more than they throw

3. Gimmicky offense
- What's gimmicky about putting your players in space, using a lot of misdirection, and forcing the defense to cover the entire field? Sure the HUNH could be considered "gimmicky", but I don't see it that way. The only thing I see as gimmicky, is trick plays.

Go look up the top group of 5 teams, and the top power 5 teams, and see what type of offense they run. See the type of QBs they implement. The only way you can get away with running a pro style nowadays is to have ridiculous talent and an extremely good defense. You aren't going to get where you want to go running an offense that is clearly out of date at the college level unless you're team is extremely talented and you have a very talented QB coach.

Louisiana is filled with option and spread offenses with dual threat QBs at the high school level. Texas is filled with spread offenses with dual threat and mobile QBs at the high school level. Kids have been running these systems for years now which makes a lot of them more successful as freshmen and redshirt freshman in college because it's a lot easier to grasp. LSU has fought against the current for far too long. It's time to step into modern college football and play to your regional recruiting strengths.
Posted by Phil2012
The planet
Member since Dec 2005
6213 posts
Posted on 12/2/16 at 2:35 pm to
How about some common sense maybe even tards can understand...the spread offense helps create better blocking angles of the OL to open up running lanes...to run CLM's offense effectively, you must have superior/stronger/dominant blocking up front, but he didn't get the recruiting job done to be able to control the LOS, especially against enemy#1...
Posted by bluephi1914
Member since Jul 2016
204 posts
Posted on 12/2/16 at 2:37 pm to
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So O lied when he said he wants a running QB?



no he didn't its hard to run the ball if your qb is a statue. the point is to have the linebackers and def ends reacting to the qb and the running backs. if you have a statue back there or your traditional pro-style qb then it doesn't work. they just react to the running back and your play goes nowhere. but you still need a qb who can throw the ball occasionally hence the term dual threat.
Posted by bluephi1914
Member since Jul 2016
204 posts
Posted on 12/2/16 at 2:41 pm to
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I'd rather emulate the Ohio State power spread



j.t. barrett had like 60 passing yds one game in that offense and they still put up 30 plus points. so I agree. with a running back like guice and brossette skies are definitely the limit. I believe etling is quick enough to run this offense.
Posted by I20goon
about 7mi down a dirt road
Member since Aug 2013
12863 posts
Posted on 12/2/16 at 4:20 pm to
No argument. The idea behind the spread is playmakers in space. Not throw the ball. If you have a playmaker, and he starts in the backfield... so be it. The idea behind Chip Kelly's spread was to run the ball. Most of the passing was long hand offs.



2009 Oregon: 8th scoring Off
17th in rush att/gm, 6th rush yds/gm
95th pass att/gm, 98th in pass yds/gm, 73rd yds/att

2010 Oregon: 1st scoring Off
5th rush att/gm, 4th rush yds/gm
59th pass att/gm, 39th in pass yds/gm, 59th yds/att

2011 Oregon: 3rd scoring Off (LSU: 17)
15th rush att/gm (LSU: 26th), 5th rush yds/gm (LSU: 22)
91st pass att/gm (LSU: 113), 68th in pass yds/gm (LSU: 106), 23rd yds/att (LSU: 41)

2012 Oregon: 2nd scoring Off
6th rush att/gm, 3rd rush yds/gm
93rd pass att/gm, 73rd in pass yds/gm, 44th yds/att

quote:

How about some common sense maybe even tards can understand...the spread offense helps create better blocking angles of the OL to open up running lanes...to run CLM's offense effectively, you must have superior/stronger/dominant blocking up front, but he didn't get the recruiting job done to be able to control the LOS, especially against enemy#1...
If it was in my power, I'd grant you the right to 40 ac and 47 virgins in heaven no matter what sins you had committed just for saying that. AMEN!!!

This post was edited on 12/2/16 at 4:27 pm
Posted by ForeLSU
The Corner of Sanity and Madness
Member since Sep 2003
41525 posts
Posted on 12/2/16 at 6:28 pm to
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What's gimmicky about putting your players in space, using a lot of misdirection, and forcing the defense to cover the entire field?


I don't really like these offenses because much of their success is predicated on defeating the defense through scheme vs. skill. And in many cases, when the defense isn't fooled on a play, the play has very little chance of success. But it is what it is because QB's aren't growing up really learning the position and how to manage the offense / read a defense.
Posted by Phil2012
The planet
Member since Dec 2005
6213 posts
Posted on 12/2/16 at 6:33 pm to
One more point of interest...our OL was voted as perhaps the best in the country, but we didn't have enough dominant OLmen to plow through through Shorty's DL...if you can't dominate the DL, you must create space and better blocking angles to be successful....although many on here are not interesting in being successful because then they would have nothing to bitch about....you losers are so so so so
pathetic!
Posted by Bayou
CenLA
Member since Feb 2005
36781 posts
Posted on 12/2/16 at 7:13 pm to
Anyone with a pea brain understood this from the get-go.
This subject got so overly lopsided it's not funny.
Clowns be clowns.
Posted by semjase
New Smyrna Beach FL
Member since May 2014
10879 posts
Posted on 12/2/16 at 9:52 pm to
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First of all, this is D Craig saying this, not coach O. Secondly, saying that you want an offense that incorporates the strength of the QB means regardless of whether the QB is a runner or not, you build the offense around what that individual QB can do best. This means that the offense would be restructured to taylor either a pocket passer or dual threat strengths. Offenses in college can be successful with running or pocket QBs. Just watch the Ohio State-Michigan game from last week to see the contrast. LSU should be able to find a coordinator who can work with either.
So you recruit the best QB possible and tweak your Offense to fit his strengths.

You got one of the highest rated/ranked "Passing" QB's in the country just right up the road in Bay St.Louis, who also has good mobility and pocket escapability, who also is a big LSU fan and who wants to attend LSU.

So what do you do right off the bat, you offer another QB that has no chance of coming to LSU and alienate the local guy.

Really dumb and really stupid. Not a good way to start off and a bad omen. Can't lose a committed talent like Brennan right out of the gate like that. You pull this BS, while your other QB recruit has had 2 knee surgeries and is no sure bet to ever be ready physically to play at the speed required for LSU/SEC!
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