re: Could Saban take Miles' team and beat Bama?

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How do you come to this conclusion after saying what you said?

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I think it's pretty clear. When Saban possessed a large talent disparity in his advantage, he still almost lost to Miles. So I see no reason to believe that he would take a less talented team and win. There's nothing in his record to support it. Meanwhile, Miles has taken Saban to the wall with inferior teams. So it stands to reason that, given a change in talent levels, he would have won those games.

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1. Miles is a poor recruiter of talent in relation to Saban's teams

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not poor, but Saban is the best recruiter in the nation. I am perfectly comfortable stating that Saban is a better recruiter than miles, given that he's the best recruiter, period. I think the gap is narrow, but there's still a gap.

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bviously if Saban is on this historic run and talent is equal, Saban is doing something above and beyond Miles in the last 5 seasons.

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Yes, by losing one less game, he has won two more titles. He's had easier schedules and he's had a lot more luck. He could have been on the outside looking in both of these last two seasons with NO CHANGE IN RESULTS. If Okie St wins the media war last year and KSU this year (or OSU is not on probation), then, with the same exact results, Bama does not win a national title either year. Factors he did not, and could not, control broke his way each of the past two seasons.

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It seems like Miles lets his players dictate more and over time, we have started to see a distinct difference in the programs.

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If you think the gaping one loss gap in record over three years is a distinct difference, go ahead. I do agree that flags fly forever, so those titles certainly make a huge difference in the two coaches' reputations. But the actual performance of the programs has been remarkably even these past three years. They got the breaks. We didn't. Life sucks sometimes.

But if you want me to panic over the state of the program because we are one game worse over a three-year span than arguably the most successful team in college football history then you'll be waiting a long time.

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Whatever dude. Keep living in the land of unicorns.

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Yeah well thankfully we win 10 games a year and don't have to run that retarded hypothetical situation you dumb frick.

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I never said I would. But since that isn't an option, I don't want to throw out a successful coach and also continue to discredit everything that happens like many have been doing.

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I can agree with this I suppose. Miles can easily fix his deficiencies. My problem with him is that, so far, he's refusing to do it.

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Miles can easily fix his deficiencies. My problem with him is that, so far, he's refusing to do it.

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Reasonable analysis and I hope we fix the offense.

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You're a former Penn State fan, right? Joe Pa 4EVAR!!

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Because that is exactly what I meant by that statement. Talk about a reach.

I'm not even totally sure how much a new OC would fix the problem. I think its becoming clear that we are going to run what Les wants to run for better or for worse. And usually, its for worse as far as the O is concerned.

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Because that is exactly what I meant by that statement. Talk about a reach.

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Hmm. What exactly did you mean by:

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Miles is the lsu program right now

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You have on numerous occasions accused people of denegrating LSU for criticising Miles. So, it seems pretty obvious, especially in light of this statement, that you have elevated the man to the status of actually embodying and personifying LSU. Seems pretty delusional to me.

This year's game was in the balance until the very end - so, yes, either coach could take either set of talent and beat the other.

I'm not sure what this thread is supposed to prove. There isn't an answer that is particularly flattering to Miles. Either the answer is yes, and our woes lie in tactical coaching. Or the answer is no, which merely demonstrates that Saban's recruiting has generated a significant talent advantage at Alabama.

In any event, everyone concedes that Saban is a better coach, so why are we still debating various far-flung hypotheticals? The only thing we can do as fans is hope that Miles improves or Saban declines. That's really all.