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Posted on 8/23/16 at 1:47 pm to Broham
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So you're saying you thought Welter was better than Beckwith?
Who cares what you or I think. The coaches said Welter was the better option. They kept trying to play Beckwith. With my own eyes I saw Beckwith totally confused. I saw Mills have to leave his safety spot and go yell in Beckwith's ear. Beckwith simply was not an option until he was - and then they played him. But up until then we were playing 9 against 11 when Beckwith was in there, because he was in the wrong place and so was Mills.
Lacouture is not like Welter. He is a bonafide NFL prospect and about to be a three year SEC starter. And that's not counting his freshman year when he contributed a lot in the two deep rotation.
This post was edited on 8/23/16 at 1:49 pm
Posted on 8/23/16 at 1:56 pm to AlaTiger
Sure it "could" develop to be better without Lac, but that is a big question mark. Lac was not a question mark.
Posted on 8/23/16 at 2:09 pm to AlaTiger
The 1st team yes, overall D-Line as a unit nope. We lost a ton of experience, important depth and an above average player. Lawerence was going to get his reps regardless so idk which freshman your referring to. Alexander? Thought he was presumed to be a redshirt candidate?
Posted on 8/23/16 at 2:10 pm to AlaTiger
No, now the D is better without, if only because of depth. Even if another player ended up getting more of CL's snaps, depth on the DL is of critical importance, both for rotations in games and due to injuries, which are almost inevitable at the DL position. I agree that it's possible that we could have interior linemen on the field better than CL, but not having him means, at a minimum, that we're not as deep.
Posted on 8/23/16 at 2:18 pm to SeekGreatness
Posted on 8/23/16 at 2:22 pm to Silvermoon_WhereRU
Lacoture graded out really poorly against the run last year. Still you need experience and depth late in the year.
Posted on 8/23/16 at 2:31 pm to Silvermoon_WhereRU
In total production, I think the answer is no. At the starter position maybe, especially considering if the reviews are right about TV.
But, no matter what we need quality depth, especially since TV is not fully ready, conditioning wise. If we have both players, no doubt the defense is better.
But, no matter what we need quality depth, especially since TV is not fully ready, conditioning wise. If we have both players, no doubt the defense is better.
Posted on 8/23/16 at 2:34 pm to TigerBaitTx
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The 1st team yes, overall D-Line as a unit nope. We lost a ton of experience, important depth and an above average player.
This....
Posted on 8/23/16 at 2:36 pm to AlaTiger
I personally would rather have a LaCouture Valentine Godchaux DLine against the heavier running teams.
You're not better without a guy like LaCouture for debth at least but we're still pretty well off.
You're not better without a guy like LaCouture for debth at least but we're still pretty well off.
Posted on 8/23/16 at 3:20 pm to Silvermoon_WhereRU
Nice job of cherry picking highlight reels. I think everyone will agree that Beckwith is a much better linebacker than Welter was, but there was a ton of plays that season that Beckwith got burned as well because of being lined up in the wrong position, or by just being flat out beat.
It took Beckwith some time to get himself adjusted to playing the middle linebacker position properly. It wasn't just Welter being outplayed that season.
It took Beckwith some time to get himself adjusted to playing the middle linebacker position properly. It wasn't just Welter being outplayed that season.
Posted on 8/23/16 at 3:25 pm to Topwater Trout
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Isn't the success of this defense predicated on each player doing their assignments?
Welter would have fit perfectly. Coach on the field.
Posted on 8/23/16 at 3:27 pm to AlaTiger
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Could Defense Somehow Be Better Without Lacoture by mid season?
I don't see how. Assuming Valentine lives up to potential, I think even a healthy Loc is a backup. But he would still provide solid depth. I don't think anyone outside of Neal/Godchaux will be a better 3-4 DE to bring in, than what Loc would've been off the bench.
Some of the freshman might be more talented, and will be better down the road, but not this year - which is what my primary concern is since it feels like a stars aligning type of season from a talent and schedule perspective.
Posted on 8/23/16 at 3:38 pm to Tigerfan56
So I think pretty much everyone is on the same page here. 1st team defensive line, maybe, overall depth of the defensive line, no. You just don't replace 3 year starter that is 6'5 300. When we go against power running teams like Alabama and Arkansas the loss of LaCouture will hurt.
I do think he would have been passed as far as being a starter but he would have played a hell of a lot. We would have had a rotation of Valentine, LaCouture and Gilmore at the nose. Now it will be more than likely Valentine, Gilmore and Alexander. I don't think Alexander was redshirting regardless. We need all man's on deck along the defensive line this year.
I do think he would have been passed as far as being a starter but he would have played a hell of a lot. We would have had a rotation of Valentine, LaCouture and Gilmore at the nose. Now it will be more than likely Valentine, Gilmore and Alexander. I don't think Alexander was redshirting regardless. We need all man's on deck along the defensive line this year.
Posted on 8/23/16 at 3:44 pm to AlaTiger
Experience is everything in the d line
Posted on 8/23/16 at 3:56 pm to Penrod
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Sure, Lac's injury will result in more playing time for a freshman. And that freshman will be better for it. But our defense will be worse, because I don't care how much you develop a freshman, he's not going to be as good as Lac.
I'm not sure that that you are correct here (but think you probably are), but the question isn't whether we have a freshman that could be a better football player than Lacouture by midseason.
The question is whether additional early season snaps will make one player (stud freshman) better than a rotation of two players (Lacouture PLUS that same freshman but without additional snaps). And the answer to that is a very obvious "NO".
Posted on 8/23/16 at 4:14 pm to ROPO
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quote: (Note: it's the same people who wanted Welter over Beckwith) These people exist?
Hell some of them are in this thread.
That's where the whole "coach on the field, gets them lined up", etc. came from.
That was the staff's reasoning for playing welter over beckwith.
Posted on 8/23/16 at 4:14 pm to The Pirate King
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Lacatour fan club
Dude started since he was a fricking freshman.
Just admit you are one of the idiots on here that believe if a white kid is starting, certainly there must be a younger black kid on the roster that should be instead.
It's the reverse racism logic that resides here.
If you want a white qb to play over black one its because you're racist.
Perfectly acceptable to say the opposite... This dumbass post when went as far to say it regarding a guy that is LSUs most experienced player.
You and others that share this train of thought are fricking pathetic.
Seriously GFY.
Posted on 8/23/16 at 4:21 pm to earl keese
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Nice job of cherry picking highlight reels. I think everyone will agree that Beckwith is a much better linebacker than Welter was, but there was a ton of plays that season that Beckwith got burned as well because of being lined up in the wrong position, or by just being flat out beat.
It took Beckwith some time to get himself adjusted to playing the middle linebacker position properly. It wasn't just Welter being outplayed that season.
Hey I love Welter for being a Tiger, but he sucked compared to Beckwith even if Beckwith was running the wrong way. You don't really have to cherry pick the highlights.
Posted on 8/23/16 at 4:28 pm to AlaTiger
One more thread that by it's very nature denigrates one player's contribution. Even if unintended, posts like this are not team oriented.
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