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re: Coach O on offensive plays in practice
Posted on 9/29/16 at 7:54 am to I20goon
Posted on 9/29/16 at 7:54 am to I20goon
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Should've been running it with Ford anyway, or Sheppard.
Both practiced it. They had a first, second and third team wildcat unit every year I was there. And all the units got reps. The problem was that they hardly ran it in games so it made it a complete waste of practice time. And when consider that they spent 5 minutes doing Big Cat drill, the amount of wasted practice time really added up.
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Posted on 9/29/16 at 7:55 am to Choupique19
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A running back taking a direct snap is not "wildcat". Les would stick Ware and LF at qb and run power run plays. Wildcat has jet sweep action and the option to run the ball wide or run counter plays creating indecision in the defen
LSU practiced the full wildcat series of plays.
Posted on 9/29/16 at 7:58 am to camplsu
quote:I've stated several times here over the years that practices at LSU under Miles were inefficient. What you are pointing to would be one, of several, inefficiencies.
The problem was that they hardly ran it in games so it made it a complete waste of practice time. And when consider that they spent 5 minutes doing Big Cat drill, the amount of wasted practice time really added up.
Would you say that is an accurate statement?
Posted on 9/29/16 at 8:07 am to I20goon
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I've stated several times here over the years that practices at LSU under Miles were inefficient. What you are pointing to would be one, of several, inefficiencies.
Would you say that is an accurate statement?
I've seen Mettenberger at practice take a snap during a full team 1s vs 1s scrimmage and turn and throw the ball off the side of the indoor facility. Even from the middle of the turf practice field which is right next to the indoor, it was one hell of a throw because he got the ball 2/3's up the side of the building. All the while every single LSU coach acted like nothing just happened. They just went on and called the next play in the scrimmage.
So of course yeah I would have to say those practices lacked efficiency.
Posted on 9/29/16 at 8:09 am to Topwater Trout
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Did anyone hear that he said we went from running 80 plays in practice to 20 plays this week?
he talked a lot last night about shortening practice on the field and more in the meeting rooms. Something he learned from Pete Carrol and Jimmie Hohnson.
He also talked about the plan each week it that each day is a theme. Monday is Truth day. Work on mistakes from past game. I did not catch the remaining days themes.
I was surprised last night in other discussions that some Tiger pundits who are local to the program described Miles as a dinosaur for practice regimen. He tended to grind out and overrun practices and tended to burn out the players and coaches which some contribute his tendency for late season swoons.
Posted on 9/29/16 at 8:19 am to Choupique19
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A running back taking a direct snap is not "wildcat"
I have never heard wildcat referred to as anything more than a formation.
You are referring to it as if it is an offensive style like the spread.
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Wildcat formation describes a formation for the offense in football in which the ball is snapped not to the quarterback but directly to a player of another position lined up at the quarterback position.
This post was edited on 9/29/16 at 8:21 am
Posted on 9/29/16 at 8:25 am to I20goon
Notbrunningbthe wildcat several times per game with Shepard is the most ignorant thing I've ever seen in college football at LSU.
Miles was a moron and still is. He has no clue how to run anything. Good person and recruiter, and it ends there.
Good riddance to that dumb frick
Miles was a moron and still is. He has no clue how to run anything. Good person and recruiter, and it ends there.
Good riddance to that dumb frick
Posted on 9/29/16 at 8:33 am to Topwater Trout
This thread is pretty screwed up. He was talking about reps (not number of different plays) and trying to keep them fresh for Satuday.
This post was edited on 9/29/16 at 8:45 am
Posted on 9/29/16 at 8:43 am to tigerskin
Why does that make it screwed up? That has kind of been established in this thread.
Posted on 9/29/16 at 8:44 am to Topwater Trout
Most of the talk is about type of plays
Posted on 9/29/16 at 8:51 am to moneyg
Twenty plays isn't that little, if you assume they are running it out of multiple formations and personell groupings.
Hell the Patriots run variations of levels and sticks all day, just out of a billion different formations.
Hell the Patriots run variations of levels and sticks all day, just out of a billion different formations.
Posted on 9/29/16 at 8:55 am to the LSUSaint
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Notbrunningbthe wildcat several times per game with Shepard is the most ignorant thing I've ever seen in college football at LSU.
Shepard went down with instant contact throughout his career. He was fast and shifty but a bump and he was going down. There's plenty to criticize but Russell Shepard was never a weapon running through contact.
Posted on 9/29/16 at 8:55 am to ROPO
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I wouldn't expect more than a few tweaks.
If we would have had a few tweaks in the off season we would be 4-0
Posted on 9/29/16 at 9:22 am to Silvermoon_WhereRU
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Shepard went down with instant contact throughout his career. He was fast and shifty but a bump and he was going down. There's plenty to criticize but Russell Shepard was never a weapon running through contact.
I don't think you understand what the concept of the wildcat is and what it forces a defense to do.
Posted on 9/29/16 at 9:48 am to moneyg
quote:. I disagree. what is a average play count for a offensive team in a game 60-65? You don't need a lot of plays. Maybe 7 running plays, 10-15 passing plays. Cause you know your going repeat a ton of them especially the successful ones. You can run very few plays but they will look totally different when ran out of multiple different formations.
20 is too few, IMO. 80 is too many.
Posted on 9/29/16 at 9:51 am to the LSUSaint
quote:. There is one problem with this, Shepard couldn't throw the ball worth a damn.
Notbrunningbthe wildcat several times per game with Shepard is the most ignorant thing I've ever seen in college football at LSU.
Posted on 9/29/16 at 9:53 am to SG_Geaux
The Wildcat is a series of plays run out of a certain formation. Miles only ran it as a power play, I believe short yardage/goal line. It adds an extra blocker and tends to spreads the defense out. As previous posters have mentioned, it puts the defense is an extremely tough position. The possibilities are endless... You MUST have the proper personnel to run it to it's full potential. See Mcfadden in the "Wild Hog".
Posted on 9/29/16 at 9:56 am to camplsu
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camplsu
quote:Thanks. So here's where I was going with this...
All the while every single LSU coach acted like nothing just happened. They just went on and called the next play in the scrimmage.
So Miles had inefficient & low-energy practices that lacked self-evaluation/scouting (example in your post). We all heard many times about player X was playing because of "doing well in practice". So the basis for personnel decisions was flawed in some cases. In fact, a Miles perception of that player (based on??) was then the primary factor. Hence the "favorites" issue. Not only that, if poor self-evaluations are being done, then that also affects play calling in games along with personnel.
The point I wanted to make is...
When CEO opened practices to the media, the primary reason is probably not to curry favor or promote himself for the non-interim job but because he is acknowledging there is a big issue here. Closed practices is one way to prevent this issue from becoming a clarion call for change... or heads.
Ineffecient practices with little or no self-evaluation/scouting leads to poor player development, poor game preparation, and... of course... poor execution. It's the foundation for execution in games.
If we are going to see immediate (3 games or less) improvement on the field, this is where it will come from. Not necessarily play selection, but execution will improve and players will be in a better position to succeed on a play-by-play basis stemming from better prep. It may look much different soon if we're lucky.
Posted on 9/29/16 at 10:35 am to ForeLSU
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He said they ran about 30 plays in practice Wednesday instead of the typical 80...and yes, he's talking about reps, not different plays. Focus is more on staying fresh vs. grueling practices a few days before the game
That's kind of weird when you consider our problem with execution and mental errors in the passing game. We need as many reps as possible, right?
Posted on 9/29/16 at 10:38 am to RunningWithScissors
Practice doesn't make perfect. Perfect practice makes perfect. I don't care how many reps you take if they're awful reps. Sounds like O wants fewer reps with attention to detail. All for it
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