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re: Coach O on offensive plays in practice

Posted on 9/29/16 at 10:39 am to
Posted by RunningWithScissors
Texas
Member since Oct 2008
561 posts
Posted on 9/29/16 at 10:39 am to
Why not lots of reps with attention to detail? Is there a reason we can't do that when the best teams do?
Posted by etm512
Mandeville, LA
Member since Aug 2005
20739 posts
Posted on 9/29/16 at 10:42 am to
Was just saying if I had to pick one I'm going with less reps and more detail. 80 plays is a LOT regardless. Very long practice.
Posted by RunningWithScissors
Texas
Member since Oct 2008
561 posts
Posted on 9/29/16 at 10:43 am to
True, if I had to choose one I'd go with that. I wonder if Bama or Houston have to choose just one, though.
Posted by etm512
Mandeville, LA
Member since Aug 2005
20739 posts
Posted on 9/29/16 at 10:46 am to
And as you become better at something you can do it more efficiently and run more plays. No point in just running more plays just to run them.
Posted by nola000
Lacombe, LA
Member since Dec 2014
13139 posts
Posted on 9/29/16 at 10:49 am to
quote:

That seems low for reps. I still like how he wants to challenge defenses early with 4 verticals forcing the safeties to stay back


Only works if you actually complete a few. I would imagine that out-the-door it aint gonna work. We dont exactly have a good reputation with the forward pass.
Posted by RunningWithScissors
Texas
Member since Oct 2008
561 posts
Posted on 9/29/16 at 10:50 am to
Yeah but even if you can't drill the whole play theres got to be more to work on. The fact that he is shortening practice just doesn't sound right to me unless this is a temporary thing to lift spirits on the team or something.

We're going up against insane workaholics like Saban who get every second of time from their players that NCAA rules allow.
Posted by nola000
Lacombe, LA
Member since Dec 2014
13139 posts
Posted on 9/29/16 at 10:56 am to
quote:

Notbrunningbthe wildcat several times per game with Shepard is the most ignorant thing I've ever seen in college football at LSU.
Miles was a moron and still is. He has no clue how to run anything. Good person and recruiter, and it ends there.

Good riddance to that dumb frick


^ Did yall hear the part of Skips interview where he said he implored Miles to keep Fisher but Miles wanted "his guy"(yes man)?

Beginning of the end for Miles.
This post was edited on 9/29/16 at 10:57 am
Posted by Sir Fury
Member since Jan 2015
4561 posts
Posted on 9/29/16 at 11:03 am to
Seems like he's going more toward the NFL model - your conditioning is done between the spring and fall camps. Once you get to the season, you should be in football shape. This, reducing the necessity for long practices. You warm up, do some technique drills, then run 30 or so plays. Then you scout yourself and your next opponent. Coach O understands the rigors of a long season on the human body. He also understands football is almost as much mental as physical. He wants to be more prepared while still being fresh.
This post was edited on 9/29/16 at 11:05 am
Posted by nola000
Lacombe, LA
Member since Dec 2014
13139 posts
Posted on 9/29/16 at 11:05 am to
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Thanks. So here's where I was going with this...

So Miles had inefficient & low-energy practices that lacked self-evaluation/scouting (example in your post). We all heard many times about player X was playing because of "doing well in practice". So the basis for personnel decisions was flawed in some cases. In fact, a Miles perception of that player (based on??) was then the primary factor. Hence the "favorites" issue. Not only that, if poor self-evaluations are being done, then that also affects play calling in games along with personnel.

The point I wanted to make is...
When CEO opened practices to the media, the primary reason is probably not to curry favor or promote himself for the non-interim job but because he is acknowledging there is a big issue here. Closed practices is one way to prevent this issue from becoming a clarion call for change... or heads.

Ineffecient practices with little or no self-evaluation/scouting leads to poor player development, poor game preparation, and... of course... poor execution. It's the foundation for execution in games.

If we are going to see immediate (3 games or less) improvement on the field, this is where it will come from. Not necessarily play selection, but execution will improve and players will be in a better position to succeed on a play-by-play basis stemming from better prep. It may look much different soon if we're lucky.
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^Great stuff^.

These are the kind of posts I enjoy reading on TR.
Posted by lovinLSU
lafayette
Member since Nov 2007
13878 posts
Posted on 9/29/16 at 11:07 am to
20 plays is 4 times the plays les ran in a game....
Posted by Sir Fury
Member since Jan 2015
4561 posts
Posted on 9/29/16 at 11:14 am to
quote:

quote:
camplsu
quote:
All the while every single LSU coach acted like nothing just happened. They just went on and called the next play in the scrimmage.
Thanks. So here's where I was going with this...

So Miles had inefficient & low-energy practices that lacked self-evaluation/scouting (example in your post). We all heard many times about player X was playing because of "doing well in practice". So the basis for personnel decisions was flawed in some cases. In fact, a Miles perception of that player (based on??) was then the primary factor. Hence the "favorites" issue. Not only that, if poor self-evaluations are being done, then that also affects play calling in games along with personnel.

The point I wanted to make is...
When CEO opened practices to the media, the primary reason is probably not to curry favor or promote himself for the non-interim job but because he is acknowledging there is a big issue here. Closed practices is one way to prevent this issue from becoming a clarion call for change... or heads.

Ineffecient practices with little or no self-evaluation/scouting leads to poor player development, poor game preparation, and... of course... poor execution. It's the foundation for execution in games.

If we are going to see immediate (3 games or less) improvement on the field, this is where it will come from. Not necessarily play selection, but execution will improve and players will be in a better position to succeed on a play-by-play basis stemming from better prep. It may look much different soon if we're lucky.



Good stuff! Thank you!
Posted by 19_for_21_boom_win
Imaginationland
Member since Sep 2016
470 posts
Posted on 9/29/16 at 11:15 am to
This thread is hilarious.

Some of you are assuming reps and some are assuming specific plays....
Posted by TheHat7
Member since Oct 2015
7189 posts
Posted on 9/29/16 at 11:17 am to
He was so conservitive cuz he was scared to turn the ball over. That approach only works if U have a dominant defense & ST's.. Back in those days we won the games like auburn because our punter would be pinning them back inside the 20 all game. Last week when u punt it 30 yards they only need two or three first downs and with a good K they putting 3 on the board. We just haven't had the defense in recent years.. This year we have the D but not the ST's. And obviously he wouldn't make the adjustment offensively by being aggressive and out scoring opponents.
Posted by BILLFISHER22
Houma
Member since Oct 2009
1445 posts
Posted on 9/29/16 at 11:25 am to
You can run 200 plays, but if you can't execute it's meaningless! Run 20 and perfect execution and run them out of different sets. I'm good with this!
Posted by Geauxgurt
Member since Sep 2013
10439 posts
Posted on 9/29/16 at 11:26 am to
quote:


Doing this all week and then gameday Saturdays? Guess it explains why LSU has always fallen off at the end of the year


It also makes sense why LSU's team seemes to fade quickly in games the last few years. I honestly think Les' solution to execution issues in his mind was to run the same plays more times. He ignored, of course, the physical fatigue this caused the players and boom, you get guys exhausted come game day.

Given Les' mentality and acumen, him being this stupid would not shock me. He probably thought they were just energetic enough to not get tired despite more strenuous practices.
Posted by nycajun
Nothin' could be finer.....
Member since Dec 2004
18183 posts
Posted on 9/29/16 at 11:31 am to
quote:

Practice doesn't make perfect. Perfect practice makes perfect. 

A bleeping men. True in sports, in music and dance, in the military, almost any physical endeavor that also requires focus. Or, as I phrase it to my students, "Practice doesn't make perfect. Practice makes permanent."
Posted by texastigerr
Texas
Member since Jan 2005
8300 posts
Posted on 9/29/16 at 12:01 pm to
How many times did we hear Les blame poor offensive performance on "Execution"? It was never about doing exactly what the defense expected you to do like run into the 8 and 9 man front for a whole game. It was never about being too predictable. With Les is was always blamed on lack of execution. Thus he would run 80 plays and believe it was going to be better. Big Fail.
Posted by Tegre
Baton Rouge, La.
Member since Jan 2008
1076 posts
Posted on 9/29/16 at 12:06 pm to
quote:

Shepard went down with instant contact throughout his career. He was fast and shifty but a bump and he was going down.

I agree he was fast but shifty he was not.He did not have the ability to cut and maintain speed or quickly regain speed. He pretty much ran in a straight line and if there was a hole he could blow thru it.
Posted by Topwater Trout
Red Stick
Member since Oct 2010
67589 posts
Posted on 9/29/16 at 12:14 pm to
From listening to Coach O I believe we will no longer see runs into 8-9 man fronts. It sounds like the offense will actually seek out the weaknesses on opposing teams defenses for a change. That change I do believe will be obvious this weekend
Posted by munchman
Baton Rouge
Member since Feb 2006
10321 posts
Posted on 9/29/16 at 12:36 pm to
A breath of fresh air.
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