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re: CLM's Coaching Grade.

Posted on 11/27/12 at 2:32 pm to
Posted by Choctaw
Pumpin' Sunshine
Member since Jul 2007
77774 posts
Posted on 11/27/12 at 2:32 pm to
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You don't think Saban is capable of perfection? He did't acheive it this year, but 1 close regular season loss to a top 10 opponent is pretty close.


do you realize the irony of this statement?

Here...let me help you

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You don't think Miles is capable of perfection? He did't acheive it last year, but 1 post season loss to a top 2 opponent is pretty close.


This post was edited on 11/27/12 at 2:42 pm
Posted by The312
I Live in The Three One Two
Member since Aug 2008
6967 posts
Posted on 11/27/12 at 2:33 pm to
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I want someone who is capable of perfection


I don't want perfection, I just want a coach who can dominate Saban and Bama and relegate them to second best in the SEC West, just as LSU has been relegated to second best right now. No need to be perfect to do that, just excellent.

LSU is entirely capable of being THE BEST program in the SEC West. Alabama possesses no inherent advantages over LSU.

But apparently, per the cowards and sycophants, there is NO MAN IN AMERICA that LSU could actually hire to best Saban and ascend to the preeminent program in the SEC West over the next three to ten years. That man just doesn't exist. Saban's nonpareil. Lil ole LSU just has to be happy with being second best, cause its the best we can hope for.

Like I said, all Saban cock will be gobbled by some LSU fans so long as they never have to admit there might be another coach who could do a better job than Miles.
Posted by liquid rabbit
Boxtard BPB®© emeritus
Member since Mar 2006
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Posted on 11/27/12 at 2:34 pm to
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You don't think Saban is capable of perfection?

Your idea of perfection and mine must be different.
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He did't acheive it this year, but 1 close regular season loss to a top 10 opponent is pretty close.

How many times in his long and illustrious career has Saban achieved "perfection"?
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Give Saban 10 years, and I bet he goes 14-0 once.

Give Saban 10 years, and I bet he has a heart attack.
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Give Miles 10 years, and does he get closer than he did last year?


I don't know. I'm going to watch and see. But I never expect "perfection."
Posted by LSUsuperfresh
Member since Oct 2010
8331 posts
Posted on 11/27/12 at 2:37 pm to
If my job was to evaluate coaching talent, I could probably give you a few answers actually. LSU sits in a hotbed of talent that we rake in. John Chavis also has the D playing its best every year. As I've heard mentioned before, how do we know that Miles isn't just a Houston Nutt with a ton of talent and an awesome D coordinator? If Les Miles coached at a place like Arky, how do you think he would fare in the SEC?
Posted by Choctaw
Pumpin' Sunshine
Member since Jul 2007
77774 posts
Posted on 11/27/12 at 2:39 pm to
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how do we know that Miles isn't just a Houston Nutt with a ton of talent and an awesome D coordinator?


Deep down...i know you don't believe Houston Nutt could win over 80% of his games, 2 SEC championships, and a NC in 8 years at LSU. Eventually it falls apart.

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If Les Miles coached at a place like Arky, how do you think he would fare in the SEC?


he did coach at a place like Arky....its called Oklahoma State. And he fared pretty well considering what he followed.
This post was edited on 11/27/12 at 2:42 pm
Posted by ShrevetownTiger
Shreveport
Member since Jan 2007
2370 posts
Posted on 11/27/12 at 2:41 pm to
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Right, but you're not suggesting that Bama has some inherent advantage over LSU, right?


Right, what I'm saying is that if Saban were still at LSU we would be having very similar results to what he's having now. Do I think he's a better coach than Miles, yes. I also don't think there is another coach in the country that could come to LSU and do better against Saban and Alabama than Miles is doing right now. I think Saban is just on a different level right now than anyone else in the country. I believe that he could do this at several schools including Florida, Texas, USC, etc. Personally I can't stand the little bastard but you can't argue with what he's been able to do in College Football. That said, I do love Miles as the coach at LSU and I think he's done a great job.
Posted by GABlueDog
Marietta, GA
Member since Dec 2008
8045 posts
Posted on 11/27/12 at 2:41 pm to
Okay I'll play...


Scheme (X's and O's) - 6 out of 10; predictable, opposing teams and just about everyone watching know what we are going to do before the ball is snapped

Recruiting - 9 out of 10; Les is a great recruiter

Chances of off the field Scandel (Petrino like would be a 1, a 10 means no chance. This is strictly for the coach and the type of person he is) - 7 out of 10; we got put on probation under Les, not completely his fault but he is the HC so he bears ultimate responsibility

Motivator - 7 out of 10; we usually play down to our competition and often look flat

Coaching in Practice - 8 out of 10; I don't attend practices but I'll go with the assumption that Les is a good practice manager; doesn't seem like a coach that spends much time with technique though

In game manager (taking good with bad) - 3 out of 10; definition of insanity is doing something that doesn't work over and over expecting different result, 9/11, Ole Miss fiasco, UT fiasco, still can't manage a clock, etc

Loyalty to the program (grass is never greener) - 10 out of 10; Les is true blue I gotta admit

Supporting staff (coordinators and pos. coaches) - 6 out of 10; good judgment in Chavis and Wilson, blew it big time with Crowton, Malleveto, Stud

Graduating players (we are 2nd in the SEC behind Vandy) - 9 out of 10; Les puts a priority on graduating

Sending players to the NFL (Developing talent) - 9 out of 10; speaks for itself

74 out of 100...Solid C.
This post was edited on 11/27/12 at 2:44 pm
Posted by LSUsuperfresh
Member since Oct 2010
8331 posts
Posted on 11/27/12 at 2:43 pm to
Arky fans would riot if they had a coach come in right now and go 4-7, 8-5, 9-4, and 7-5 . He had 2 decent years. But why is everyone so content with doing pretty good?
Posted by Choctaw
Pumpin' Sunshine
Member since Jul 2007
77774 posts
Posted on 11/27/12 at 2:45 pm to
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Arky fans would riot if they had a coach come in right now and go 4-7, 8-5, 9-4, and 7-5


now they would...yes. So would OSU fans now. but look at what Miles followed.


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But why is everyone so content with doing pretty good?


who is content with doing pretty good? the only "pretty good" years Les has had at LSU were '08 and '09....the rest have been pretty damn great.
This post was edited on 11/27/12 at 2:46 pm
Posted by ShrevetownTiger
Shreveport
Member since Jan 2007
2370 posts
Posted on 11/27/12 at 2:52 pm to
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Arky fans would riot if they had a coach come in right now and go 4-7, 8-5, 9-4, and 7-5


They would if their last ten years had resulted in only 40 wins total. Miles had 28 there in 4 years.

I can remember when LSU fans were happy with those kind of results considering we were that bad before turning things around. Hell I remember when we were happy with the Indy Bowl. Glad that's not the case anymore.
Posted by oldschoolgreats
Member since Nov 2012
1902 posts
Posted on 11/27/12 at 2:53 pm to
B+, miles is a very good coach. as parcells said, you are what your record says you are. miles' record at LSU is exceptional. his only real FAULT is in game management. whether it be clock management or play calling at crucial times. he would be a solid A but he lost the bama game (with the substantial help of chavis), screwed up the ole miss game and tenn game a few years back with clock issues.

one issue of game management can cost you a game and knock you out SEC AND NC race. reference this year at bama.
Posted by Gray Tiger
Prairieville, LA
Member since Jan 2004
36512 posts
Posted on 11/27/12 at 2:57 pm to
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Scheme (X's and O's) - 6 out of 10; predictable, opposing teams and just about everyone watching know what we are going to do before the ball is snapped

If this is true then why isn't every play stopped for no gain or a loss?

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Chances of off the field Scandel

What coach has 0% chance of scandal?

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Motivator - 7 out of 10; we usually play down to our competition and often look flat

What team always plays super emotional every game and never "looks flat"?

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don't attend practices but I'll go with the assumption that Les is a good practice manager;

So you have no clue?
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doesn't seem like a coach that spends much time with technique though

Isn't that the job of the position coaches?

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definition of insanity is doing something that doesn't work over and over expecting different result,

First of all that quote is wrong, but if that's all you have to hang your hat on, I'll consider the source. But to delve into your position, are ou saying that if a play fails to gain yardage, it should never be run again? How does the fact that LSU (or any other team for that matter) may run a play several times with little success and then it breaks big?

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Ole Miss fiasco, UT fiasco, still can't manage a clock, etc

Interesting bhow you conveniently forget his clock management against Auburn and Florida where LSU won in the final seconds.

Enough of this. You are a fool

Posted by MarlinMan
BSL
Member since Sep 2007
2533 posts
Posted on 11/27/12 at 2:58 pm to
-Scheme (X's and O's)- 8/10
-Recruiting- 7/10
-Chances of off the field Scandel (Petrino like would be a 1, a 10 means no chance. This is strictly for the coach and the type of person he is)- 5/10
-Motivator- 9/10
-Coaching in Practice- 5/10
-in game manager (taking good with bad)- 5/10
-Loyalty to the program (grass is never greener)- 10/10
-Supporting staff (coordinators and pos. coaches)- 7.5/10
-Graduating players (we are 2nd in the SEC behind Vandy)- 10/10
-Sending players to the NFL (Developing talent)- 8.5/10

Posted by HaloWarriors
Murfreesboro, TN
Member since Feb 2010
3351 posts
Posted on 11/27/12 at 3:01 pm to
Who is playing QB at Bama next year? What happens to them if Yeldon goes down early?

I could list a bunch more - but you get my point. Things happen in cycles. Sometimes things happen that are beyond anyone's control.

How much different would things have been this year with a healthy O-line? What would have been different if TM7 had not fricked his life up?

CLM did what he could do with the soldiers he had left. There was not clear cut vocal leader on this team. No one stepped up. Expect the unexpected.

Some of you - are just fricking clueless about the game and of the world in general. Maybe you'll grow out of it.
Posted by chinhoyang
Member since Jun 2011
23383 posts
Posted on 11/27/12 at 3:03 pm to
Scheme (X's and O's) - 5 out of 10

Recruiting - 9.5 out of 10

Chances of off the field Scandel (Petrino like would be a 1, a 10 means no chance. This is strictly for the coach and the type of person he is) - 9.5 out of 10

Motivator - 9 out of 10

Coaching in Practice - 7 out of 10

In game manager (taking good with bad) - 4.5 out of 10

Loyalty to the program (grass is never greener) - 10 out of 10

Supporting staff (coordinators and pos. coaches) - 9.5 out of 10

Graduating players (we are 2nd in the SEC behind Vandy) - 9.5 out of 10

Sending players to the NFL (Developing talent) - 9.5 out of 10


Posted by rantfan
new iberia la
Member since Nov 2012
14110 posts
Posted on 11/27/12 at 3:04 pm to
Rabbit that was funny. I will have to give him a B
Posted by ipodking
#StopTalkingAboutWomensSports
Member since Jun 2008
56295 posts
Posted on 11/27/12 at 3:06 pm to
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blew it big time with Crowton, Malleveto, Stud


How exactly the Les blow it with Stud? Stud did great with the young beasts on the oline this year.
Posted by Penrod
Member since Jan 2011
39291 posts
Posted on 11/27/12 at 3:07 pm to
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he is an A- coach with some A-hole fans


Good one, Rabbit!
Posted by WildTchoupitoulas
Member since Jan 2010
44071 posts
Posted on 11/27/12 at 3:09 pm to
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Not going to lie, the season ended roughly for me. I'm better now, but I was ready to never watch LSU football again after the last game. I went to LSU for 8 years starting in '92 and I can honestly say that I'm not sure how much I have left. I'm meh on the whole idea

Bitches bitching about wins is worse than struggling to beat a bad team. You should save yourself from anymore grief and just bail out now.

Don't let the doorknob poke you in the arse.
Posted by BengalTiger1
Metry-Bra
Member since Sep 2003
4031 posts
Posted on 11/27/12 at 3:38 pm to
We lost starting CB and Heisman finalist, half the O-LINE, Starting RB, and Having a new Q/B and still won 10 games.

Lost to the two best teams in the country.
B+.

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