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re: Championship Series Question...
Posted on 6/18/15 at 9:37 am to Jesus Prejean
Posted on 6/18/15 at 9:37 am to Jesus Prejean
Sigh. I can't help you if you can't see that going 1-1 gets you in the exact same position no matter which order they win/loss comes in.
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Posted on 6/18/15 at 9:48 am to mylsuhat
quote:
Don't lose game 1
Posted on 6/18/15 at 9:51 am to im4LSU
I'd rather get to the Championship series and take our chances, with or without Lange. Also there's very good chance we could have brought him back in game 3 if necessary.
I was ok with the decision to start Poche but its not as black and white as some of yall say.
I was ok with the decision to start Poche but its not as black and white as some of yall say.
Posted on 6/18/15 at 9:57 am to ell_13
For a poster with as much baseball knowledge as you, you are really missing the point and being shortsighted. Yes it is the same, but you should give your team the best chance to avoid that scenerio and I don't think that happend.
Posted on 6/18/15 at 10:03 am to Jesus Prejean
quote:
Um, really? Let me help you out...
If you WIN Game 1, you have the opportunity to have to win only TWO more games to reach the cship series, with your pitching staff rested and in place.
If you LOSE Game 1, you must win FOUR consecutive more games to make the cship series and, even if you do, your pitching staff is depleted.
Does anyone on this board still not understand the importance of winning Game 1? If so, please send your kids somewhere besides LSU. Thanks.
Well, you better start preparing your kids for ULL then, because you obviously don't get it.
Vanderbilt and Virginia now have an advantage, being in the winners bracket and having to only win one more. They got there by winning the first AND the SECOND game. You lose game 1, you gotta go 4-1 to get to the ship. You win game 1 and lose game 2, you still gotta go 4-1
Posted on 6/18/15 at 10:04 am to StickyFingaz
quote:I think it did. I think our coaches looked at this from all angles and decided this was the best order to win BOTH games. Which is all that matters when 1-1 gets you in the same position.
but you should give your team the best chance to avoid that scenerio and I don't think that happend.
Posted on 6/18/15 at 10:17 am to ell_13
No it wasn't.. Sorry you can say it until you go blue. It simply was not.
Posted on 6/18/15 at 10:19 am to Catman88
But it was tho
Posted on 6/18/15 at 10:21 am to ell_13
quote:
we can't pitch him every game. And the first two games are weighted the EXACT SAME. So the decision comes down to who you think Poche will be better against.
Shouldn't it also involve consideration of the quality of pitcher we're likely to face in the first game vs. the second? Seems likely we'd face the other team's best pitcher in the first game and probably not their best in the second. Against which one does Poche have the better chance of winning? Isn't that also a consideration?
I think it can be credibly argued that Lange would have given us our best chance to beat TCU and facing a non-ace would given Poche his best chance to beat whoever we faced in game 2.
I'm not saying PM's decision was wrong, and this is the first time I've posted on the subject, but it certainly isn't "so simple" and it's definitely not unreasonable to question PM's decision.
This post was edited on 6/18/15 at 10:24 am
Posted on 6/18/15 at 10:23 am to Catman88
Why?
That's all you people who disagree with it can say. "It simply was not".
I can actually give you reason as why it WAS. Things you look at PRIOR to the games. All you can point at is the loss... which comes after the fact.
That's all you people who disagree with it can say. "It simply was not".
I can actually give you reason as why it WAS. Things you look at PRIOR to the games. All you can point at is the loss... which comes after the fact.
Posted on 6/18/15 at 10:24 am to Nuts4LSU
quote:some people think Vandy's and CSF's number 2 is better than Morrison
and facing a non-ace would given Poche his best chance to beat whoever we faced in game 2.
Posted on 6/18/15 at 10:32 am to Nuts4LSU
quote:
Shouldn't it also involve consideration of the quality of pitcher we're likely to face in the first game vs. the second? Seems likely we'd face the other team's best pitcher in the first game and probably not their best in the second. Against which one does Poche have the better chance of winning? Isn't that also a consideration?
I think it can be credibly argued that Lange would have given us our best chance to beat TCU and facing a non-ace would given Poche his best chance to beat whoever we faced in game 2.
I'm not saying PM's decision was wrong, and this is the first time I've posted on the subject, but it certainly isn't "so simple" and it's definitely not unreasonable to question PM's decision.
But it's the EXACT same if you lose game 1 or 2... Why bring logic into this
And this is my first time posting about it also, bc it is an intriguing discussion and didn't want to deal with the bandwagoners ranting nonsense.
Posted on 6/18/15 at 10:33 am to ell_13
Come on man... I've given plenty of legit reasons
Posted on 6/18/15 at 10:37 am to StickyFingaz
Your reason is talking about the pitcher you face. That was it. And to argue against those, I'd say two things:
1) Morrison is arguably not as good the other teams' #2
2) You chose your pitcher based on who he faced... batters. Because Lange gives you the best shot regardless. So you put Poche against the best lineup for him.
1) Morrison is arguably not as good the other teams' #2
2) You chose your pitcher based on who he faced... batters. Because Lange gives you the best shot regardless. So you put Poche against the best lineup for him.
Posted on 6/18/15 at 10:42 am to StickyFingaz
quote:Oh frick off. Ell is being logical. It is the same if you lose game 1 or 2. You end up in the same position we are now.
But it's the EXACT same if you lose game 1 or 2... Why bring logic into this
As for the consideration of the other pitcher, vandy and cal st fullerton's #2 guys are as good or better than Morrison. Poche going first and Lange second gave us the best chance to win both of those games.
quote:You do realize that most of the bandwagoners have been ranting the same "nonsense" as you are, right?
And this is my first time posting about it also, bc it is an intriguing discussion and didn't want to deal with the bandwagoners ranting nonsense.
Posted on 6/18/15 at 10:43 am to ell_13
What about potentially having Lange available for another start, if we were to lose game 1 or 2?
Posted on 6/18/15 at 10:46 am to OneMoreTime
You are delusional if you think this is "nonsense"... Sorry you're simple minded.
Posted on 6/18/15 at 10:48 am to StickyFingaz
I quoted you on that, bud. The bandwagoners have been making the same arguments that you are making. Sorry you're simple minded.
Posted on 6/18/15 at 10:49 am to StickyFingaz
Lange hasn't shown that he can bounce back that quickly. He's even had to sit out a week for arm soreness. Part of going with poche first is that he can bounce back quicker and throw on shorter rest.
Posted on 6/18/15 at 11:05 am to StickyFingaz
Lange has shown twice this year that he's better on more rest. You'd almost be wasting him after game 1 if you tried to throw him on 5 or 4 days rest on back to back starts. It sucks that we won't have him these next 3 games. But if we somehow pull it off, we have him for game 1 of the series vs either Virginia's 1 or 2 or Florida's 2 or 3
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