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Cam and quarterback development
Posted on 4/3/14 at 9:49 am
Posted on 4/3/14 at 9:49 am
I know everyone is freaking out about the quarterback situation but I think we need to take a step back and look at Cam's full body of work in developing QBs. While I would argue that his running backs have been even more productive than his quarterbacks, he's never had an issue with QBs for an extended period of time.
At Michigan he had Harbaugh, Grbac, and Collins. All three went on the play in the NFL. At the Redskins, Gus Frerotte, yes that Gus Frerotte, went to the Pro Bowl with Cam as his QB coach.
In his second year at IU he had Randle El who was a redshirt freshman. In his first college game he threw from 380 and three touchdowns and ran for 80 and three more. He finished sixth in the Heisman balloting as a senior and if he had been at a football power he would have won the Heisman.
In San Diego, he developed Brees and Rivers from rookies. He developed them slowly and was criticized for it at times because he was very careful about their development and put them in the best situations to succeed. He was very cautious with Rivers but in his second year as a starter he was a Pro Bowler.
He was similarly cautious with Flacco and was criticized for bringing him along slowly, and then was criticized for having him do too much in years four and five but it's truly what got them over the top with his Super Bowl run.
The Mettenberger development speaks for itself.
Our QBs are in really good hands.
At Michigan he had Harbaugh, Grbac, and Collins. All three went on the play in the NFL. At the Redskins, Gus Frerotte, yes that Gus Frerotte, went to the Pro Bowl with Cam as his QB coach.
In his second year at IU he had Randle El who was a redshirt freshman. In his first college game he threw from 380 and three touchdowns and ran for 80 and three more. He finished sixth in the Heisman balloting as a senior and if he had been at a football power he would have won the Heisman.
In San Diego, he developed Brees and Rivers from rookies. He developed them slowly and was criticized for it at times because he was very careful about their development and put them in the best situations to succeed. He was very cautious with Rivers but in his second year as a starter he was a Pro Bowler.
He was similarly cautious with Flacco and was criticized for bringing him along slowly, and then was criticized for having him do too much in years four and five but it's truly what got them over the top with his Super Bowl run.
The Mettenberger development speaks for itself.
Our QBs are in really good hands.
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Posted on 4/3/14 at 9:50 am to trooploop
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I know everyone is freaking out about the quarterback situation
False.
Posted on 4/3/14 at 9:57 am to trooploop
Just playing devils advocate, but all of those guys you listed were really damn good talents.
Im interested to see what he can do with an inexperienced cupboard that is below the talent you just mentioned.
Im interested to see what he can do with an inexperienced cupboard that is below the talent you just mentioned.
Posted on 4/3/14 at 10:00 am to Bear Is Dead
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that is below the talent you just mentioned
I'll play devil's advocate too...How in the hell do you know that Brandon Harris or Anthony Jennings has less talent than Mettenberger? 90% of this place thought Mett was the worst QB on the planet in 2012 and wanted Rivers to play.
Posted on 4/3/14 at 10:02 am to PurpleAndGold86
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90% of this place thought Mett was the worst QB on the planet in 2012 and wanted Rivers to play.
c'mon man, 90%?
Posted on 4/3/14 at 10:03 am to PurpleAndGold86
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How in the hell do you know that Brandon Harris or Anthony Jennings has less talent than Mettenberger?
Talent as a passer? I know, and you should too.
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90% of this place thought Mett was the worst QB on the planet in 2012 and wanted Rivers to play.
Anyone who thought that was wrong. And not many people thought that.
Posted on 4/3/14 at 10:04 am to ATLTiger
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c'mon man, 90%?
Sounds high, but did you read any of the threads during a game or on Monday morning up until the Alabama game? shite even the games after the Alabama game people were calling for his head. This place was ridiculous. Well, I guess it still is
Posted on 4/3/14 at 10:05 am to Bear Is Dead
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Talent as a passer? I know, and you should too.
How? Harris is a freshman and has never thrown a pass at the collegiate level. You are not a scout. You are sitting on a message board. You have no clue. Neither do I.
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Anyone who thought that was wrong.
I agree, but they still did.
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And not many people thought that.
bullshite. You must not have read many threads in 2012. It's comical how quickly some forget.Posted on 4/3/14 at 10:09 am to PurpleAndGold86
Our QB play will not be flashy but I expect it to be solid. Losing the two receivers is a huge hit for whomever is throwing.
Posted on 4/3/14 at 10:13 am to PurpleAndGold86
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Harris is a freshman and has never thrown a pass at the collegiate level. You are not a scout. You are sitting on a message board. You have no clue. Neither do I.
Man, Im not bashing the kid. Mettenberger has one of the best arms in the draft this year. He was an exceptional talent. There is nothing wrong with saying that he is more talented as a passer than Brandon Harris. JaMarcus Russell was more talented as a passer than Matt Flynn. Anyone that said that wasn't trying to bury Matt Flynn's career.
Posted on 4/3/14 at 10:17 am to Bear Is Dead
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Man, Im not bashing the kid. Mettenberger has one of the best arms in the draft this year. He was an exceptional talent. There is nothing wrong with saying that he is more talented as a passer than Brandon Harris. JaMarcus Russell was more talented as a passer than Matt Flynn. Anyone that said that wasn't trying to bury Matt Flynn's career.
I understand you aren't bashing the kid. I get it. I'm not trying to knight for him either. I'm saying you can't really know what you have talent wise when a kid has never even thrown a pass at the collegiate level. He's 18 years old. Mett went to college for 5 years. Arm strength can improve.
And when I say talent as a passer, I am not just referring to arm strength only. Other things can make one a good passer.
My only point is that you shouldn't be so quick to say "Oh Harris is less talented than anyone you mentioned". You can't really know the answer to that before the kid has ever even thrown a pass.
Posted on 4/3/14 at 10:17 am to Bear Is Dead
They were good talents for sure but it's hard for me to believe that Cam has just lucked in to all of these good quarterbacks.
Michigan could recruit top-notch talent. I'll give you that. Randle El had ONE offer to play QB in college and that was at Ohio University. Everyone else wanted him to play on defense.
Frerotte went to the Pro Bowl. Gus Frerotte.
Brees, Rivers, and Flacco were first- and second-round picks but all three of them had question marks as well (Brees size; Rivers arm strength and throwing motion; Flacco: level of competition and couldn't win the starting job at Pitt)
Mettenberger was obviously talented but not playing at a high level.
I understand the argument because it's one that's been used against Cam with his running backs as well, although I find it interesting that Ray Rice went from stud to dud in the matter of one year after Cam's departure.
Michigan could recruit top-notch talent. I'll give you that. Randle El had ONE offer to play QB in college and that was at Ohio University. Everyone else wanted him to play on defense.
Frerotte went to the Pro Bowl. Gus Frerotte.
Brees, Rivers, and Flacco were first- and second-round picks but all three of them had question marks as well (Brees size; Rivers arm strength and throwing motion; Flacco: level of competition and couldn't win the starting job at Pitt)
Mettenberger was obviously talented but not playing at a high level.
I understand the argument because it's one that's been used against Cam with his running backs as well, although I find it interesting that Ray Rice went from stud to dud in the matter of one year after Cam's departure.
Posted on 4/3/14 at 10:29 am to trooploop
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They were good talents for sure but it's hard for me to believe that Cam has just lucked in to all of these good quarterbacks.
I don't believe that either. Cam is a stellar QB corch. But when you look at a list that includes Brees, Rivers, Flacco and Mett, you have to acknowledge that he wasn't working with JJ or Andrew Hatch.
Im laughing the way you say Gus Frerotte because of the self induced concussion disaster. However, in all reality, he was a pretty decent pro.
Look, my point is that I will be very interdasted to see how Cam's offense shakes out when you have two very inexperienced QB's starting in a very competitive SEC west. That's all. Always hope for the best. I just hope no one expects him to turn Jennings into Jameis Winston this year.
Posted on 4/3/14 at 10:34 am to Bear Is Dead
While we lost our WRs, we have serious talent there and at TE. TE looks to be more involved this year and is a life saver for young QBs as a check down option.
Also, let us not forget this might be our best run blocking line in a VERY long time and we have ridiculous RB talent. That will help take a lot of pressure off the QBs.
Also, let us not forget this might be our best run blocking line in a VERY long time and we have ridiculous RB talent. That will help take a lot of pressure off the QBs.
Posted on 4/3/14 at 10:36 am to trooploop
unfortunately, there's no patience anymore amongst fans (and to an extent, amongst players). either you got it and show that you're a star in your first season playing (or hell, in some instances, your first spring/ fall practices) or you're a bust.
you'd think that as LSU fans, we'd have some perspective. look at how much Mauck and Jamarcus improved over time. both had accuracy issues early on as starters, and that was under Jimbo's tutelage (noted QB developer that he is), including redshirt years.
believe me, I want a Jameis, Manziel, or Colt McCoy who can light it up as a freshman too, but those are exceptions.
you'd think that as LSU fans, we'd have some perspective. look at how much Mauck and Jamarcus improved over time. both had accuracy issues early on as starters, and that was under Jimbo's tutelage (noted QB developer that he is), including redshirt years.
believe me, I want a Jameis, Manziel, or Colt McCoy who can light it up as a freshman too, but those are exceptions.
Posted on 4/3/14 at 10:39 am to PurpleAndGold86
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How in the hell do you know that Brandon Harris or Anthony Jennings has less talent than Mettenberger? 90% of this place thought Mett was the worst QB on the planet in 2012 and wanted Rivers to play.
I don't know about HArris, as I haven't seen him take a meaningful snap. But, it's clear to anyone who follows football that Mett has more physical talent than Jennings. Jennings' arm is barely SEC level. As far as pocket awareness, AJ may be able to improve just as Mett did.
Posted on 4/3/14 at 10:40 am to ATLTiger
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either you got it and show that you're a star in your first season playing (or hell, in some instances, your first spring/ fall practices) or you're a bust.
Stop being so dramatic. I never said the word "bust", nor did I ever imply that Harris or Jennings were busts.
This post was edited on 4/3/14 at 10:42 am
Posted on 4/3/14 at 10:42 am to ATLTiger
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unfortunately, there's no patience anymore amongst fans (and to an extent, amongst players). either you got it and show that you're a star in your first season playing (or hell, in some instances, your first spring/ fall practices) or you're a bust.
you'd think that as LSU fans, we'd have some perspective. look at how much Mauck and Jamarcus improved over time. both had accuracy issues early on as starters, and that was under Jimbo's tutelage (noted QB developer that he is), including redshirt years.
believe me, I want a Jameis, Manziel, or Colt McCoy who can light it up as a freshman too, but those are exceptions.
this.
Posted on 4/3/14 at 10:51 am to trooploop
LSU and all programs have running back coaches. You suggest he is responsible for them, too. Sure, the staff must concur on a game plan but there are many others that have input besides Cameron. He can't be held accountable for anything other than QB development as he is NOT responsible for RB's, WR's or other groups. When he calls a play he is dependent that the proper personnel group is on the field.
Posted on 4/3/14 at 11:01 am to TheCaterpillar
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believe me, I want a Jameis, Manziel, or Colt McCoy who can light it up as a freshman too, but those are exceptions.
I'm not sure if Colt really lit it up as a freshman. Seemed like he took a few lumps then. The other examples are good though.
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