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Calling FG Kicker Specialists
Posted on 10/26/16 at 10:50 pm
Posted on 10/26/16 at 10:50 pm
#42's FG's are consistently very low arch. Bama is certainly sees the same and will seek a block. In a close game, that is (of course) a big game swinger.
Question for former FG Kickers or Coaches: How possible is it for Delahoussaye to change his loft angle while retaining reasonable accuracy?
Question for former FG Kickers or Coaches: How possible is it for Delahoussaye to change his loft angle while retaining reasonable accuracy?
Posted on 10/26/16 at 11:06 pm to THECEO
I've been pretty worried about his kicking if we get in a spot where we have to rely on him.
Only 7 field goal attempts in 7 games. He's only attempted 3 kicks of 40+. He made from 44 and missed from 47 and 51.
From 45 or more, I'm not real confident in him. Which sucks. Being able to get points on a 50 yarder vs having to punt is tough. That damn Polish kicker hit a 55 yard FG against us for Bama last year.
Only 7 field goal attempts in 7 games. He's only attempted 3 kicks of 40+. He made from 44 and missed from 47 and 51.
From 45 or more, I'm not real confident in him. Which sucks. Being able to get points on a 50 yarder vs having to punt is tough. That damn Polish kicker hit a 55 yard FG against us for Bama last year.
This post was edited on 10/26/16 at 11:11 pm
Posted on 10/26/16 at 11:09 pm to Lsuhoohoo
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He's only attempted 3 kicks of 40+
Even his extra points and short FG's have a low arch. Before Domingue beat him out, I don't recall his kicks being so low.
Posted on 10/27/16 at 12:00 am to Lsuhoohoo
I think that guy is an Aussie
Posted on 10/27/16 at 5:10 am to THECEO
As a former kicker myself, I hope his low trajectory is a mistake. You are trained to have the highest launch possible with out trading distance. That is a very fine line. However, I am surprised more teams have not attempted to block heavily up the middle against him due to the low launch angle.
Posted on 10/27/16 at 5:25 am to THECEO
Former college kicker here:
Launch angle is baked into approach and foot placement on the ball. It's not something you can immediately fix over-night because that foot placement is a part of the ingrained swing.
The analog is trying to fundamentally tinker with a golf swing. Tiger was one of a few players who, in his prime, was able to work out swing trajectory mid-season. But most people who try and adjust, say, steepness of the hands or pitch of the swing have to wait until an off season because it's not something you can just adjust on the fly without the possibility of everything going to hell mid-tournament as you lapse back into the old motion with new approach. That's a bad, bad recipe for disaster.
In a sense, you are who you are at this moment. CD should have gotten training to adjust his launch angle in the off season by shortening his stride and concentrating of loft. There are some additional mechanics you can work on to do this, but making that adjustment so that its second-nature at this point is harder than you think.
tl;dr The low trajectory is a big problem, but it may not be something he can fix without fricking up his confidence in his motion. Why? Because the more you think about this shite, the more likely you are to frick it up. Kicking is a reflexive skill, not a cognitive one.
Launch angle is baked into approach and foot placement on the ball. It's not something you can immediately fix over-night because that foot placement is a part of the ingrained swing.
The analog is trying to fundamentally tinker with a golf swing. Tiger was one of a few players who, in his prime, was able to work out swing trajectory mid-season. But most people who try and adjust, say, steepness of the hands or pitch of the swing have to wait until an off season because it's not something you can just adjust on the fly without the possibility of everything going to hell mid-tournament as you lapse back into the old motion with new approach. That's a bad, bad recipe for disaster.
In a sense, you are who you are at this moment. CD should have gotten training to adjust his launch angle in the off season by shortening his stride and concentrating of loft. There are some additional mechanics you can work on to do this, but making that adjustment so that its second-nature at this point is harder than you think.
tl;dr The low trajectory is a big problem, but it may not be something he can fix without fricking up his confidence in his motion. Why? Because the more you think about this shite, the more likely you are to frick it up. Kicking is a reflexive skill, not a cognitive one.
This post was edited on 10/27/16 at 5:42 am
Posted on 10/27/16 at 6:25 am to doctatigah
We have a great true freshman kicker in Connor Culp. Although Gamble has been getting better at KO's I still think CC is better. He will eventually be our FG kicker as well. He's good one.
Posted on 10/27/16 at 6:46 am to THECEO
kickers, like golfers will develop small mechanical flaws in their swing that they have to work on.
Currently, Colby is setting his plant foot a little too far forward. This is causing his strike foot to contact the ball slightly higher than the target "sweet spot" and thus creating a lower trajectory. The "sweet spot" is about a 1 inch square located 2.5 inches below the mid-line of the ball.
In order to impact the "sweet spot" for ideal trajectory, the plant foot needs to be behind the football. HS kickers using a 1" tee will want their plant overlapping into the ball and younger kickers using a full 2" block will want their plant foot fully parallel to the ball.
Colby is very much aware and is working on a shorter more compact approach that should prevent him from planting too deep. As I said in an earlier thread, Jack is actually putting up the best ball right now.
Colby has the most game experience and has handled pressure cooker kicks for us. I am not worried. He knows what is going on and working to tweak this.
Currently, Colby is setting his plant foot a little too far forward. This is causing his strike foot to contact the ball slightly higher than the target "sweet spot" and thus creating a lower trajectory. The "sweet spot" is about a 1 inch square located 2.5 inches below the mid-line of the ball.
In order to impact the "sweet spot" for ideal trajectory, the plant foot needs to be behind the football. HS kickers using a 1" tee will want their plant overlapping into the ball and younger kickers using a full 2" block will want their plant foot fully parallel to the ball.
Colby is very much aware and is working on a shorter more compact approach that should prevent him from planting too deep. As I said in an earlier thread, Jack is actually putting up the best ball right now.
Colby has the most game experience and has handled pressure cooker kicks for us. I am not worried. He knows what is going on and working to tweak this.
This post was edited on 10/27/16 at 6:48 am
Posted on 10/27/16 at 6:55 am to Barrister
Colby, glad to hear you're aware of the mechanical issues!
It's more complicated than what you describe re: the plant foot, but sure. There's ankle lock, proper follow through, and torso roll. It starts with plant-foot placement, but fixing that will present a secondary issue in that you're forcing the kicking leg to be more "compact." It's a feel thing. Even a one-inch change in placement can make you feel like you're going to whack your holder in the helmet on the follow-through.
When the snap comes, it's an automatic reaction. Maybe CD can fix it, but in pressure situations your body defaults to muscle memory. If the ingrained strike is off, then the ball will remain low. I've watched CD warm up before multiple games this year and the stroke that he uses in pre-game is far more fluid than his in-game kicks.
It's more complicated than what you describe re: the plant foot, but sure. There's ankle lock, proper follow through, and torso roll. It starts with plant-foot placement, but fixing that will present a secondary issue in that you're forcing the kicking leg to be more "compact." It's a feel thing. Even a one-inch change in placement can make you feel like you're going to whack your holder in the helmet on the follow-through.
When the snap comes, it's an automatic reaction. Maybe CD can fix it, but in pressure situations your body defaults to muscle memory. If the ingrained strike is off, then the ball will remain low. I've watched CD warm up before multiple games this year and the stroke that he uses in pre-game is far more fluid than his in-game kicks.
Posted on 10/27/16 at 7:07 am to doctatigah
What this guy said. My youngest was All-District and All Metro in HS after starting to kick in August of his senior year. Right out of the gate he had amazing loft off the launch. When he worked out with Wade Richey, Wade said that (and his height) were his biggest assets, and as said, tinkering to try and change that trajectory could have bad repercussions. I've heard good things about Conner, totally underwhelmed with what we've been trotting out there.
Posted on 10/27/16 at 7:14 am to Icansee4miles
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My youngest was All-District and All Metro in HS after starting to kick in August of his senior year. Right out of the gate he had amazing loft off the launch. When he worked out with Wade Richey, Wade said that (and his height) were his biggest assets...
Soccer player? Sounds about right.
The average college kicker ought to never mess around with anything beyond 50 yards on game day during their warmups. It encourages you to reach and do stupid things in your stroke. If you can kick a PAT properly then you can kick a 60 harder if you have the leg for it. I've seen CD messing around like this in warmups and it's a pointless exercise, akin to a dick measuring contest.
Rotate around 40 yards and work on loft and striking. All you want to do is keep the gears greased and your leg ready. Nobody gives a shite if you can hit from 65, it ain't happening in a game.
Posted on 10/27/16 at 8:21 am to Barrister
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Jack is actually putting up the best ball right now.
I was wondering how he was doing. Everyone talking about kickers coming in and this and that. I don't think people know we have a young guy with a strong leg in the bullpen. Didn't he kick a 60+ FG in HS?
Posted on 10/27/16 at 8:27 am to doctatigah
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The low trajectory is a big problem, but it may not be something he can fix without fricking up his confidence in his motion. Why? Because the more you think about this shite, the more likely you are to frick it up. Kicking is a reflexive skill, not a cognitive one.
This is what I suspected to hear, but was hoping for a better answer. Thank you for your input, sir. Too bad Les did not hold on to Domingue.
Posted on 10/27/16 at 8:28 am to GetmorewithLes
Jack Gonsolin did get in to kick an extra point against Southern Miss so I'm guessing he's the #2 behind Colby.
Posted on 10/27/16 at 8:38 am to THECEO
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How possible is it for Delahoussaye to change his loft angle while retaining reasonable accuracy
I doubt he gets a stronger leg before the bama game.
Posted on 10/27/16 at 8:52 am to ElderTiger
I was in the South endzone when Gonsulin kicked his PAT. The people with season tickets there said the kick landed higher in the stands than any they remember. I'm sure he had some adrenaline but that ball was kicked high and deep.
I remember when Domingue took over in 2014, and the first thing I noticed was how low kicked the ball compared to Delahoussaye. Some bring has changed over the years because Colby's trajectory is noticeably lower now.
I remember when Domingue took over in 2014, and the first thing I noticed was how low kicked the ball compared to Delahoussaye. Some bring has changed over the years because Colby's trajectory is noticeably lower now.
Posted on 10/27/16 at 9:22 am to doctatigah
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doctatigah
Somebody get the Doctah a contract, this guy knows what he's talking about! BDP can be assistant special teams coordinator and stick to recruiting and maybe the occasional fake!
Posted on 10/27/16 at 9:38 am to Bert Macklin FBI
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Somebody get the Doctah a contract, this guy knows what he's talking about! BDP can be assistant special teams coordinator and stick to recruiting and maybe the occasional fake!
I promise I'm cheap.
It's astonishing to me that major programs don't take some basic steps to improve the coaching in this aspect of the game. Successful kicking requires the physical tools (which, presumably CD has), but it also requires an immense amount of mental concentration to perform the physical act.
Robert Aguayo is case-in-point: the misses in the pre-season were purely a function of bad headspace. Having a good sports psychologist to help you visualize is really, really important. The 50 yard field goal is the same kick as the PAT. I would be shocked if adding height to CD's trajectory would take that much distance off the shape of his kick, but, again, tinkering mid-season is difficult (though, obviously, not impossible).
This post was edited on 10/27/16 at 9:41 am
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