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re: BYU Defensive Breakdown
Posted on 8/15/17 at 8:52 pm to Bosethus68
Posted on 8/15/17 at 8:52 pm to Bosethus68
BYU's LB group is one of the more sound tackling groups you'll see. This ain't no LSU vs TAMU game. You're not going to see that. Guice will get his for sure, but he's not going TAMU/Ark on us.
And I agree with others that last year doesn't mean a ton. We also don't face the type of passing offenses that we did last year. Some people point to WV and Toledo like it's something bad, but to be fair, those teams torched basically everyone. Howard and Woodside combined for like 7500 yds. They're known for high powered offenses and had some of the least sacked QBs in the nation.
I'll respect handfuls of things about LSU, but worrying that they'll be like one of those two teams isn't one of them. I'm not worried about Etling going all Woodside on us. I'm hoping BYU is the game that can contribute to cutting down the time until Brennan takes over so you guys can have a passing game. ;)
Guice is elite but how many defenses did he play last year that were close to BYU? Not saying BYU will be as good as LSU, but talking BYU in relation to those defenses. He wasn't destroying better defenses. I expect him to improve but it will be interesting to see how it goes. Obviously it seems Canada's "pro-spread" is a good way to make up for things if the OL isn't up to par (I have to admit I thought it was funny seeing a comment that this year's OL is just as good as last year's). :)
And I agree with others that last year doesn't mean a ton. We also don't face the type of passing offenses that we did last year. Some people point to WV and Toledo like it's something bad, but to be fair, those teams torched basically everyone. Howard and Woodside combined for like 7500 yds. They're known for high powered offenses and had some of the least sacked QBs in the nation.
I'll respect handfuls of things about LSU, but worrying that they'll be like one of those two teams isn't one of them. I'm not worried about Etling going all Woodside on us. I'm hoping BYU is the game that can contribute to cutting down the time until Brennan takes over so you guys can have a passing game. ;)
Guice is elite but how many defenses did he play last year that were close to BYU? Not saying BYU will be as good as LSU, but talking BYU in relation to those defenses. He wasn't destroying better defenses. I expect him to improve but it will be interesting to see how it goes. Obviously it seems Canada's "pro-spread" is a good way to make up for things if the OL isn't up to par (I have to admit I thought it was funny seeing a comment that this year's OL is just as good as last year's). :)
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Posted on 8/15/17 at 8:56 pm to skullhawk
It isn't always about the weapons. If football was only about the athleticism, we'd see a bunch of different programs be much better than they end up any given year, including LSU.
It's about how everything gels by game 1. Nobody should be guaranteeing anything for game 1 with all of the situations factored in. All of the unknowns. This isn't just a comment for LSU. It's for basically any team that has a number of unknown factors going into the first game of the season. Even BYU, although it will be game 2.
It's about how everything gels by game 1. Nobody should be guaranteeing anything for game 1 with all of the situations factored in. All of the unknowns. This isn't just a comment for LSU. It's for basically any team that has a number of unknown factors going into the first game of the season. Even BYU, although it will be game 2.
Posted on 8/15/17 at 8:57 pm to Trent S
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hope is that with all the issues on your Oline that we can get pressure in the backfield
I keep hearing these issues with our OL as some kind of advantage for BYU? You guys will be very surprised if you expect issues from our OL because there aren't any issues with the starting 5. The issue are with depth and I'm not real sure that it's an issue at all for this first game. The issue that Orgeron is speaking of is more about the middle to end of the SEC schedule. I mean you could say every team has issues if you start losing your starters, so I wouldn't count on a weak OL as some type of advantage. GT
This post was edited on 8/15/17 at 9:00 pm
Posted on 8/15/17 at 9:02 pm to Yfan
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(I have to admit I thought it was funny seeing a comment that this year's OL is just as good as last year's). :)
I have no idea why the BYU fans keep harping on this. LSU oline has depth issues. That's great for opponents in the back half of the schedule. LSU returns 3/5 starters, both tackles, and the interior guys taking over capable. So yes, I expect LSU's oline to perform similarly to the 2016 unit in the BYU game.
ETA bayoubengal and I are on the same page lol
This post was edited on 8/15/17 at 9:03 pm
Posted on 8/15/17 at 9:06 pm to Yfan
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Guice is elite but how many defenses did he play last year that were close to BYU?
You mean close to being ranked 71st on total defense? A lot of them.
And FYI Toledo has 2 games with over 400 yards of passing. 2. You guys gave up over 500.
It was a standard game for those teams - they torched you like they torched no other.
Utah gave you six turnovers and you still blew it. You haven't beat a top 25 team outside Provo in 8 years.
Not sure where you guys get your chip on the shoulders about being a better defense or better anything.
Posted on 8/15/17 at 9:11 pm to skullhawk
Point is these tards think we are just gonna line up I formation and run 3 straight times
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Posted on 8/15/17 at 9:11 pm to Trent S
Was talking bout the michigan team, and they sucked too.
Posted on 8/15/17 at 9:12 pm to Yfan
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t's about how everything gels by game 1. Nobody should be guaranteeing anything for game 1 with all of the situations factored in. All of the unknowns. This isn't just a comment for LSU. It's for basically any team that has a number of unknown factors going into the first game of the season. Even BYU, although it will be game 2.
Ok but 2016 is all we have to go on right now. To think BYU is going to shut down the LSU offense, they'd have to greatly improve from 2016 and the LSU offense post Miles would have to regress. I guess we could discuss why BYU fans believe these two things will occur. As has been pointed out, the offensive line falling off is a misinterpretation of news.
What about the 2017 BYU defense inspires predictions of going from 71st to elite?
Posted on 8/15/17 at 9:14 pm to Bosethus68
All I know is that I have box seats. Everything else is just speculation.
Posted on 8/15/17 at 9:24 pm to Hoosier BYU Fan
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If Canada can get a team to replicate that in the first game, let alone first year of his system, then you won't have him for long.
Who else is going to pay him over $1.3 million dollars a year? Plus, if they do, we'll most likely match provided he is as good as is anticipated. $1.3 million dollars a year is more than most head football coaches make. So if he leaves it will probably be as the head coach at a major program.
Posted on 8/15/17 at 9:30 pm to Trent S
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I'm still thinking it'll be a shorter game with a lot of running. BYU 17 - LSU 14
I want what you are smoking.
Posted on 8/15/17 at 10:00 pm to Trent S
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Feel sorry then but your OLine is questionable and that leads to issues week 1
We lost one right guard on offense. Right guard is the easiest position on the offensive line to replace because right guards are road graders. They don’t pull that much and overall are not expected to do as much as left guards and they certainly don’t protect the quarterback’s back.
Not to mention, that we have several big reserve road graders capable of stepping in and that we can easily replace him with one of those guys. So, I doubt that we lost much. Not to mention, that last year’s offensive line with Ethan Pocic at center was ranked the best in the country. So instead of losing only one position on the offensive line this season as we anticipated, we are losing two positions instead. However, right guard on the offensive line is the easiest position to replace.
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So check some basic facts before trash talking.
No way your offense will be able to run against LSU’s defensive front, which means that you guys will be one dimensional and one-dimensional teams rarely win and especially when they are going against DBU university. Good luck.
LSU is breaking in a brand-new offense that may or may not start slowly, but nonetheless, if it does we can always revert to pounding it down your throats with Derrius Guice. We will meet or exceed the spread either way.
Posted on 8/15/17 at 10:12 pm to Space Cowboy
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I'm still thinking it'll be a shorter game with a lot of running. BYU 17 - LSU 14
It'll be a lot of running alright, BYUs defense running sideline to sideline chasing our RBs and then as soon as they do Chark, Dillion, or Gage will burn em for 60. Sorry but this isn't going to be the same ole physical match that BYU thinks it will be. There will be some physicality but not the type BYU fans are thinking about.
The offense will not JUST line up and take their manhood away. Their safeties, corners, DL, and LBrs will have to diagnose plays quickly, then find the ball, while getting ate up by some of the SECs best OLman/TEs/FBs, all while trying to run with our athletes all over the field. I really don't think that they know what's coming.
I don't even have time to mention our defense vs their offense. I'll just put it simply, if BYU can't run the ball, they will have a rough day, especially Mangum. How tall is he anyway? Even if we can't get a pass rush which I can't see, but may happen, he will still have to find a way to get the ball over our tall athletes arms going up as he throws. This isn't going to be an easy game for BYU. Not saying it will for LSU either but the odds are, if the game is easy for anyone, it will be the Tigers.
Mistakes, TOs, penalties can hold any team back in any game so you never know. I just have a feeling that LSU is going to come out fast, determined, and strong on the first drive to show or prove that this offense is now run by a new guy and he puts a premium on TDs, not FGs.
I'm sure Canada is WELL aware of their red zone defense, he's also well aware that ours needs to improve in that area. I think that was his main focus since he's gotten here so we'll see what gives. Also this notion that BYU has an advantage over LSU bc they play a game, while I agree to some extent, LSU also has an advantage in how we are focused on BYU only. They have to focus on (1) other team before LSU which gives BYU (1) week to prepare for LSU. LSU has how ever many weeks leading up to prepare for BYU. Wash IMO. GT
Posted on 8/15/17 at 10:26 pm to Trent S
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The only common opponent last year was Miss. St we both played at home. We gave up 14 in regulation, 21 after 2 OTs, LSU gave up 20 in regulation.
You can't use that as a measure because Less Miles was still the coach of LSU at that point, we could have played the worst team in the country with Coach Less Miles at the helm and the game would still have gone down to the wire. He has now been fired thankfully.
Like I said, your offense isn't going to be able to run the ball against LSU's front seven. Which means you guys will be one dimensional. So you guys will have to try to pass against LSU's pass rush and blitz packages like your team has never ever experienced before and against also DBU university. Good luck, because you will need all the luck you can get. I hope your quarterback can throw on the run because he is going to be running for his life all day long.
Posted on 8/15/17 at 10:40 pm to Space Cowboy
Yeah they don't know that it was 21-0 in the first or second quarter. It was something like that can't remember the details but I remember us easily handling State then all of a sudden the foot left the gas as usual with Miles/Cam. This was partly what got them both fired too.
Posted on 8/15/17 at 10:54 pm to skullhawk
If it's all we have to go on, then I'd rather show some patience and just wait to see, rather than predicting all sorts of stuff. It being all we have to go on isn't much without context.
I don't think many are seriously predicting a defensive shutdown. It's a combination of BYU having a pretty good D, and mostly a hope that LSU can shoot themselves in the foot to start things off. Not entirely unreasonable to hope for that considering a new coach, new offense, new players, game 1. False starts, other penalties, unnecessary turnovers. Things happen.
But you'll have to get a bunch of LSU fans to confirm this idea that the OL issues are a "misinterpretation." I think it's pretty obvious to everyone this isn't going to be last year's OL. You hope it's not but come on, you're one more injury away from starting what, 4 freshmen?
They should be solid if Clapp is good to go full time, Weathersby, Malone. But the depth has really been hit and no matter how you slice it, replacing Teuhema straight up ain't happening right away.
BYU 71st in what?
I don't think many are seriously predicting a defensive shutdown. It's a combination of BYU having a pretty good D, and mostly a hope that LSU can shoot themselves in the foot to start things off. Not entirely unreasonable to hope for that considering a new coach, new offense, new players, game 1. False starts, other penalties, unnecessary turnovers. Things happen.
But you'll have to get a bunch of LSU fans to confirm this idea that the OL issues are a "misinterpretation." I think it's pretty obvious to everyone this isn't going to be last year's OL. You hope it's not but come on, you're one more injury away from starting what, 4 freshmen?
They should be solid if Clapp is good to go full time, Weathersby, Malone. But the depth has really been hit and no matter how you slice it, replacing Teuhema straight up ain't happening right away.
BYU 71st in what?
Posted on 8/15/17 at 11:10 pm to igoringa
BYU had a top 30 D and the #7 rush D. Also among the top in the nation in takeaways. That was in the first year of a new scheme with first-year players all over the place.
They're not elite (they are in some areas but not overall), but they're not even close to the teams Guice ran all over last year. FCS, Southern Miss, Mizzou, Ark, and of course, the worst tackling display I've ever seen, TAMU.
Not saying he's not elite but I'd like to see some more highlights of him against better defenses. I won't be surprised at all if he has Louisville type numbers. Something like 150 in a workhorse manner and 1-2 TDs. At the same time, he's good enough on his own that I also wouldn't be surprised with a better performance. I think he's the #2 back in the nation and I think I agree with people saying he's better than Fournette.
They're not elite (they are in some areas but not overall), but they're not even close to the teams Guice ran all over last year. FCS, Southern Miss, Mizzou, Ark, and of course, the worst tackling display I've ever seen, TAMU.
Not saying he's not elite but I'd like to see some more highlights of him against better defenses. I won't be surprised at all if he has Louisville type numbers. Something like 150 in a workhorse manner and 1-2 TDs. At the same time, he's good enough on his own that I also wouldn't be surprised with a better performance. I think he's the #2 back in the nation and I think I agree with people saying he's better than Fournette.
Posted on 8/15/17 at 11:16 pm to Yfan
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I thought it was funny seeing a comment that this year's OL is just as good as last year's). :)
Why is that so funny? You apparently don't know much about our OL. We return our C, RT, LT, and replace RG/LG. Both of whom have gotten previous snaps. The LG replacing last years is much more athletic, and technically sound then the previous. We have many options at RG, most of whom were highly ranked guards. I would venture to say that we will be as good in the starting 5, possibly better. Depth won't be as good, but the starting 5 isn't a worry. Depth in this first game, really isn't an issue either.
Etling might not throw for 400 or 500 yards but he could easily throw for 300, while our backs go for 150 to 200. Depending on how effective we are in this system, I could even see 250 to 300 yards on the ground. This offense won't be something BYU is accustomed to, nor have they seen an offense like this, ever.
This offense isn't about spreading the WRs out and finding holes while we pass block. It's about sending people in opposite directions, all with speed, and it taking more then 1 or 2 guys to get them to the ground. If BYU needs to send 3 guys to an area to tackle one player, that gives LSU a huge advantage in another area. That's how this offense operates. You will absolutely have to commit people to the strong side of the action.
Say if Guice has been getting 4 or 5 yards a carry for 4 straight carries, your defense will automatically try to stop the bleeding. That's when we send another athlete to the opposite area with the ball, that player can take it a long ways before BYU D even knows where the ball is located, BOOM, TD. Or LSU fakes it to both areas in the backfield, your safeties or LBs have to react to it and BOOM, man open.
Etling doesn't need to throw the ball 60 yards or even 20 yards accurately. He simply needs to run the offense effectively, and the offense will get him his yards. What's Etling strength? He's smart with the football. We'll see I guess. GT
Posted on 8/15/17 at 11:17 pm to Bosethus68
The invasion has begun.
Posted on 8/16/17 at 6:25 am to themunch
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We'll have the advantage at QB, Mangum is an elite QB,
Tell me more about his 4.93 40...
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