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re: BYU Defensive Breakdown
Posted on 8/15/17 at 6:42 pm to Bosethus68
Posted on 8/15/17 at 6:42 pm to Bosethus68
I don't know 1 BYU fan that has said we are on par or have a similar defense to LSU. So your initial comment is odd.
I do believe we will be much tougher than most of you here think. We lost 4 games last year by a combined 8 points.
Last year was a completely new coaching staff across the board with a terrible O and D line. Both units will be improved but it'll take a couple recruiting classes to get where we need to be.
Your RBs will be the best we see this season. Our hope is that with all the issues on your Oline that we can get pressure in the backfield, but either way Guice will get his.
We are expecting a big jump from year 1 to year 2 as players know their assignments much better.
We started 2 Freshmen at corners last year and they did well but our injury ridden DLine didn't pressure enough. We were #2 in the country at creating turnovers though. And as noted earlier we gave up a lot of yardage in the middle of the field last year but yardage isn't points, we only gave up 19 PPG.
We'll have the advantage at QB, Mangum is an elite QB, he was the co-MVP at the elite 11 with Jamis Winston. He played very well as a true freshman forced into the lineup after an injury to the starter after being back only a few months from his LDS mission. And he was able to really learn the new offense last year while playing behind a 5th year senior.
We also get a week 0 game against Portland St as a tune up so we are hoping you'll have some first game issues we can take advantage of.
I'm still thinking it'll be a shorter game with a lot of running. BYU 17 - LSU 14
I do believe we will be much tougher than most of you here think. We lost 4 games last year by a combined 8 points.
Last year was a completely new coaching staff across the board with a terrible O and D line. Both units will be improved but it'll take a couple recruiting classes to get where we need to be.
Your RBs will be the best we see this season. Our hope is that with all the issues on your Oline that we can get pressure in the backfield, but either way Guice will get his.
We are expecting a big jump from year 1 to year 2 as players know their assignments much better.
We started 2 Freshmen at corners last year and they did well but our injury ridden DLine didn't pressure enough. We were #2 in the country at creating turnovers though. And as noted earlier we gave up a lot of yardage in the middle of the field last year but yardage isn't points, we only gave up 19 PPG.
We'll have the advantage at QB, Mangum is an elite QB, he was the co-MVP at the elite 11 with Jamis Winston. He played very well as a true freshman forced into the lineup after an injury to the starter after being back only a few months from his LDS mission. And he was able to really learn the new offense last year while playing behind a 5th year senior.
We also get a week 0 game against Portland St as a tune up so we are hoping you'll have some first game issues we can take advantage of.
I'm still thinking it'll be a shorter game with a lot of running. BYU 17 - LSU 14
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Posted on 8/15/17 at 7:01 pm to Trent S
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I do believe we will be much tougher than most of you here think.
From what I've seen...Most LSU fans think the game is gonna be fairly close. I haven't seen many think it's gonna be a cakewalk or blowout. Maybe you just want to be pissed before the game
Posted on 8/15/17 at 7:05 pm to Trent S
Love your optimism, but, no.
If BYU can run, it has a shot, but you just aren't gonna run on LSU. Once you become 1-dimensional, it is over.
I promise you, BYU has not seen the likes of LSU's edge rushers and overall speed on defense.
Now, LSU's offense may take a bit to crank up, but Derrius Guice will not get bottled up the whole game.
LSU 27-13.
If BYU can run, it has a shot, but you just aren't gonna run on LSU. Once you become 1-dimensional, it is over.
I promise you, BYU has not seen the likes of LSU's edge rushers and overall speed on defense.
Now, LSU's offense may take a bit to crank up, but Derrius Guice will not get bottled up the whole game.
LSU 27-13.
Posted on 8/15/17 at 7:05 pm to Trent S
All I need to know is that UT longhorns had two straight years to prep for and beat an underdog BYU team and neither game was in jeopardy from the starting gun - longhorns were completely outplayed and physically whipped up and down the field. Yes, that's the crappy soft Longhorns - same teams that took OU down to the wire in Dallas both years. The fact that our boys are younger and less experienced except for a few key guys makes for a leveling of the playing field. We are known to "stall" on good drives - hoping for a big change with the new offense - but that same new offense is probably more susceptible to motion penalties and missed assignments..... Comes with the territory, especially with less experienced guys. I expect BYU to give us a very tough physical game and hope that our boys play their best and just to home with a victory whether it's 3 points or 30 - i feel worse about this game than Oregon 2-3 years ago.
This post was edited on 8/15/17 at 7:07 pm
Posted on 8/15/17 at 7:14 pm to djkevlar
Just so I understand...are you really predicting 700-800 yards of total offense for LSU? You guys will probably win, but let's be a little realistic here...
Posted on 8/15/17 at 7:20 pm to Trent S
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LSU 14
If you're banking on this, I feel sorry for you.
I expect a competitive game but BYU has shown nothing to warrant this type of defensive performance away from Provo against a team with the weapons LSU has.
This post was edited on 8/15/17 at 7:23 pm
Posted on 8/15/17 at 7:32 pm to Genestealer55
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From what I've seen...Most LSU fans think the game is gonna be fairly close. I haven't seen many think it's gonna be a cakewalk or blowout. Maybe you just want to be pissed before the game
Just in this thread there are predictions of 24 point win, another of 800 total yards, another of 17 points (the closest prediction), 400 yards rushing etc etc.
And why would that piss me off before the game? All I stated was it'll be closer than the crazy predictions in this thread.
Posted on 8/15/17 at 7:51 pm to skullhawk
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If you're banking on this, I feel sorry for you. I expect a competitive game but BYU has shown nothing to warrant this type of defensive performance away from Provo against a team with the weapons LSU has.
Feel sorry then but your OLine is questionable and that leads to issues week 1
And last year we gave up
16 pts @ Arizona
20 pts @ Utah
17 pts to UCLA
35 @ West Virginia
14 pts @ Michigan State
14 pts in regulation to Mississippi St.
So check some basic facts before trash talking.
Posted on 8/15/17 at 8:00 pm to Trent S
Msu is the only team on that list worth anything.
Posted on 8/15/17 at 8:01 pm to Trent S
Posted on 8/15/17 at 8:13 pm to Trent S
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And last year we gave up
16 pts @ Arizona
20 pts @ Utah
17 pts to UCLA
35 @ West Virginia
14 pts @ Michigan State
14 pts in regulation to Mississippi St.
So check some basic facts before trash talking.
How many yards to Toledo (Hint 691 yards and 53 points).
Held Boise to a lean 570 yards.
Total defense ranked 71st.
Our Oline is fine - depth if a few get hurt is the only issue. That is a later season issue.
BYU has not beat a top 25 team outside Provo in 8 years.
Those are the facts and they are not changing.
Posted on 8/15/17 at 8:14 pm to JayKrewe
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Msu is the only team on that list worth anything.
The only common opponent last year was Miss. St we both played at home. We gave up 14 in regulation, 21 after 2 OTs, LSU gave up 20 in regulation.
LSU is an elite defense but BYU in our first year of a new coach had only 3 games with defensive giving up more than 20 points. And we ranked #2 nationally in take aways
I'm just saying I believe this will be a defensive game overall.
Posted on 8/15/17 at 8:17 pm to Trent S
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We'll have the advantage at QB, Mangum is an elite QB,
I'm not so sure about that. Mangum has struggled against legit defenses. Against Michigan and Utah, he had a 42.9% and 44.6% completetion rate with a combined 3 INT and 2 TDs.
He had a good completion % against Boise State, UCLA, and Nebraska, but had 3 INT to 4 TDs.
I wouldn't crown him elite, or better than Etling
Posted on 8/15/17 at 8:17 pm to Trent S
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Feel sorry then but your OLine is questionable and that leads to issues week 1 And last year we gave up
16 pts @ Arizona
20 pts @ Utah
17 pts to UCLA
35 @ West Virginia
14 pts @ Michigan State
14 pts in regulation to Mississippi St.
So in the 3 wins you listed, those teams combined to win 12 games. That ucla team won 4 games and BYU was one of them.
As OP pointed out, the good offenses you faced had their way with the BYU defense. LSU isn't know for high powered offense but I wouldn't expect similar point outputs from some of the worst P5 teams of 2016. I don't think that's a leap.
I fully expect a competitive game but LSU is scoring more than 14. BYU isn't Bama. Also, if BYU is shifting to a more open passing attack this season, expect your defensive numbers to regress. Opponents will be getting more opportunities.
This post was edited on 8/15/17 at 8:32 pm
Posted on 8/15/17 at 8:22 pm to igoringa
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How many yards to Toledo (Hint 691 yards and 53 points). Held Boise to a lean 570 yards. Total defense ranked 71st.
Even with our admittedly terrible Toledo game, where it counts, points per game, when you look at the whole season and not 1 hand picked game, you gave up 16 and we gave up 19 ppts
You guys are good but this isn't last season so last seasons stats don't mean a ton and you aren't unbeatable.
This post was edited on 8/15/17 at 8:35 pm
Posted on 8/15/17 at 8:27 pm to ST3PH3N
Mangum may be good but he won't be "elite" while lying on his back.
Posted on 8/15/17 at 8:27 pm to Trent S
Well this isn't last season so don't expect the most predictable offense in the country to show up at NRG
Posted on 8/15/17 at 8:36 pm to Nado Jenkins83
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Well this isn't last season so don't expect the most predictable offense in the country to show up at NRG
Last years O with Ensminger calling plays puts up 28 in this game. Look at what the offense did post Miles and Cam outside of Bama. I know they only scored 10 against Florida but that was pretty darn fluky. Offense gained 423 yards.
I don't think the BYU defense is A&M bad but they clearly padded stats against very bad teams and their offensive identity contributed to the low point totals (which their fans say they are getting away from).
Posted on 8/15/17 at 8:42 pm to Trent S
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We'll have the advantage at QB, Mangum is an elite QB, he was the co-MVP at the elite 11 with Jamis Winston. He played very well as a true freshman forced into the lineup after an injury to the starter after being back only a few months from his LDS mission. And he was able to really learn the new offense last year while playing behind a 5th year senior.
Yeah, we played the Heisman winning QB last season:
10/27 for 153 yards and 26 carries for 33 yards (1.3 ypc). Aranda, the mad scientist has literally been formulating a defensive plan for BYU since he got on the plane after the Louisville game. I'm not exaggerating. I'd hate to be the team he faces after a whole off season to prepare.
Posted on 8/15/17 at 8:45 pm to Trent S
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Even with our admittedly terrible Toledo game, where it counts, points per game, when you look at the whole season and not 1 hand picked game, you gave up 16 and we gave up 19 ppts
I looked beyond one game - I cited Boise and your lack of ability to beat top 25 teams outside Utah County.
Your total defense was 71st. Your pass offense was 96th and we are to fear the backup.
If you feel comparing a Miles era game to now I cant help you. What happened the first game post Miles. Alltime record for yards in a game (not Toledo against you good though lol)
What happened third game? Rushing record for a player in a game. A few games later - upped that. Top 25 offense statistically post miles including a skunk against Bama.
quote:
you aren't unbeatable.
You are correct. But it wont be BYU doing the duty.
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