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re: Bring back the BCS System!! Better for college football long-term
Posted on 9/29/19 at 7:38 pm to TheHat7
Posted on 9/29/19 at 7:38 pm to TheHat7
The main problem with this is having a weak overall conference like the pac 12 with a 3 loss champ taking up space in the bracket There are no perfect solutions but clearly 4 isn’t enough.
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Posted on 9/29/19 at 8:22 pm to dukke v
You equate clear-eyed vision with insecurity.
Posted on 9/29/19 at 9:07 pm to TigerFan244
When people wanted a playoff, I believe most of them thought the BCS would pick the 4 teams. Not a committee.
Posted on 9/30/19 at 8:34 am to atltiger6487
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uh, the polls have ZERO to do with who makes the playoffs.
Do you even understand college football?
The CFP committee is human, and most of them don’t even seem to be huge football people. You’re naive and fricking stupid if you think that existing polls and the media narrative don’t influence them to a certain extent
Posted on 9/30/19 at 9:17 am to jlovel7
ND doesn't have the balls to join a conference !!! They get to play a cup cakes schedule! Should not get a chance to play for the NC!!! 
Posted on 9/30/19 at 9:25 am to 1badboy
The BCS will give you the BEST 4 teams....the computer can calculate what humans can not.
That is a "propaganda" point used by many
IT IS IN FACT NOT what the NCAA wants or what the polls yield.
They want the best 4 teams while representing the most conferences to maximize viewing audience and revenues.
IMHO, they should use the BCS formula, expand to 6 teams giving #1 and # 2 (based on BCS) not BS
a bye and thus giving meaning to earning status of #1 and #2
You would still likely get representation from various conferences.
That is a "propaganda" point used by many
IT IS IN FACT NOT what the NCAA wants or what the polls yield.
They want the best 4 teams while representing the most conferences to maximize viewing audience and revenues.
IMHO, they should use the BCS formula, expand to 6 teams giving #1 and # 2 (based on BCS) not BS
a bye and thus giving meaning to earning status of #1 and #2
You would still likely get representation from various conferences.
Posted on 9/30/19 at 9:58 am to TigerFan244
Bring back the bcs? Man, you are nuts.
Posted on 9/30/19 at 10:23 am to rbdallas
quote:computers calculate what humans program them to calculate. There are so many variables and factors that can be used by the computer, and the result will depend on the weight given to those variables -- by the human programmer.
The BCS will give you the BEST 4 teams....the computer can calculate what humans can not.
The computers aren't magic - they just output the results according to a human formula.
So why not let a group of serious people pore over a ton of data over several weeks to arrive at rankings, rather than put it in the hands of computers programmed by humans.
And also let's not forget the worst part of the BCS formula - it's two-thirds ridiculous human polls.
This post was edited on 9/30/19 at 10:24 am
Posted on 9/30/19 at 10:29 am to 1badboy
quote:cup cakes?
ND doesn't have the balls to join a conference !!! They get to play a cup cakes schedule!
You do realize that this year Notre Dame plays Georgia, USC, Stanford, and Michigan. Those last 3 are down this year, but are traditionally top 10-15 teams. This year, ND also plays Virginia and Va Tech (which is bad this year but traditionally very good).
I've never understood the gripe about ND's schedule. It's usually legit.
Posted on 9/30/19 at 10:31 am to Bread Orgeron
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wildcard
Nope.
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bye
Nope.
8 teams, 5 P5 champions, 3 G5 champions based on SOS.
Want to go to the playoffs? Win your conference.
Posted on 9/30/19 at 10:35 am to WildTchoupitoulas
I liked the BCS's system of putting together the rankings. I'd be fine with just implementing that into the current system, instead of just using some random group of people voting.
Posted on 9/30/19 at 10:36 am to WildTchoupitoulas
quote:so if LSU goes 12-0 in dominating fashion and blows out everybody by 50 points. Then we go to the SECCG and lose to an undefeated UGA by 1 point on a fluke.
8 teams, 5 P5 champions, 3 G5 champions based on SOS.
Want to go to the playoffs? Win your conference.
We shouldn't get in the playoff - because we didn't win our conference?
Playoffs, in every major sport, reward conference/division winners with auto playoff bids, but also include deserving wild card teams - because leagues know that championship calibre teams may not have won their conference, for a variety of reasons.
But that shouldn't automatically exclude them from the playoffs.
Posted on 9/30/19 at 11:04 am to atltiger6487
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so if LSU goes 12-0 in dominating fashion and blows out everybody by 50 points. Then we go to the SECCG and lose to an undefeated UGA by 1 point on a fluke. We shouldn't get in the playoff - because we didn't win our conference?
That's right, UGA gets the spot because they won.
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Playoffs, in every major sport, reward conference/division winners with auto playoff bids
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but also include deserving wild card teams - because...
...$$$.
Look it up, no one used to have "wildcards" until TV started generating so much revenue.
But a tournament of champions is the most fair way to determine the field. for a playoff. There are no "opinion polls" to bias towards popular teams, all the conferences get a chance to participate in the playoff, making it more representative. It would just be best for college football, imo.
Posted on 9/30/19 at 11:09 am to TigerFan244
The BCS was never the problem. It was the fact that the BCS only picked two teams.
They needed to keep the BCS, just select 4 teams instead of 2.
They needed to keep the BCS, just select 4 teams instead of 2.
Posted on 9/30/19 at 11:17 am to WildTchoupitoulas
quote:or maybe it's because the 2nd best team in the league happens to have the misfortune of being in the same division as the best team in the league, and that 2nd best team deserves a playoff spot.
...$$$.
Look it up, no one used to have "wildcards" until TV started generating so much revenue.
Posted on 9/30/19 at 11:35 am to atltiger6487
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or maybe it's because...
No, it's not, it's because of money.
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that 2nd best team deserves a playoff spot.
No, they don't. They already lost to a better team. There are too many CFB teams to allow do-overs. Why should a one-loss conference runner-up go before a conference champion?
I should qualify that all conferences must either play all other teams in the conference, or have a CCG.
Posted on 9/30/19 at 11:51 am to TigerFan244
8 teams
P5 champs and 3 at large.
If a G6 team is ranked so high they get an auto bid (whatever the old BCS rule was)
P5 champs and 3 at large.
If a G6 team is ranked so high they get an auto bid (whatever the old BCS rule was)
Posted on 9/30/19 at 12:12 pm to atltiger6487
quote:
The computers aren't magic - they just output the results according to a human formula. So why not let a group of serious people pore over a ton of data over several weeks to arrive at rankings, rather than put it in the hands of computers programmed by humans.
Computers do not have a personal agenda...the members of the committee may very well do.
Many have admitted that they do not watch all the games and that they ask the other members for advice... that's not how it should work.
BTW computers would not be programmed week to week, so the results would be consistent thru the season.
Obviously you are too young and do not remember when HUMANS used to manipulate the sys (reason for BCS)... we are back to that now.
Posted on 9/30/19 at 12:15 pm to WildTchoupitoulas
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No, they don't. They already lost to a better team. There are too many CFB teams to allow do-overs. Why should a one-loss conference runner-up go before a conference champion?
if it is a Conf Champion in a crappy conference, the BETTER team should go...
the FINALS should be about the BEST 4 teams IN THE COUNTRY.
that's why a computer works best.
The COMPUTER does not know "names" or have an agenda.
Posted on 9/30/19 at 12:20 pm to WildTchoupitoulas
quote:because not all conferences are equal. Some years, the second place team in one conference could easily win all the other conferences - but they're stuck in the best conference.
No, they don't. They already lost to a better team. There are too many CFB teams to allow do-overs. Why should a one-loss conference runner-up go before a conference champion?
We see it in the SEC West. If LSU dominates every game we play but lose to Bama by one point, are we completely out of the playoff conversation - all because we didn't win our conference.
That's too rigid. The playoffs should have the best teams. Now yes, I agree that rewarding confernece champs is a good thing and makes the regular season conference competition all the more meaningful, but including one non-conference winner as an at-large team seems fair to me.
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