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re: Brief Wisco Breakdown
Posted on 8/21/14 at 10:55 pm to CEOTiger
Posted on 8/21/14 at 10:55 pm to CEOTiger
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However, they will see a brand of athletes they've never seen when they see the LSU Tigers in Houston.
Lucky for us then that it is a football game and not a track meet.
Seriously though we hear this every time we play a decent team. It may be more true against LSU than most but I think we will be just fine. I have a hard time believing that this young LSU line is more talented than the USC team we faced last year and we ran at will against them while opening huge holes. We have NFL O-linemen too.
But you are right, until the game starts we don't know how successful they will be against LSU's D. Likewise you don't know how well your revamped line will do against one of the best running games in CFB either. You may strongly suspect but you don't know. I expect it will be a struggle at times for both teams. Can't wait for game day!!
This post was edited on 8/21/14 at 11:00 pm
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Posted on 8/21/14 at 10:59 pm to SouthdownsTiger
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My first thought when Wisky is brought up in football, they have too many white guys to be a serious threat to LSU football, right?
Haha, for real though, but thats our secret weapon. Teams look at us in warmups and go 'pish, we got this easy' then we line up and just keep hitting you in the mouth. Next thing you know there are 5 minutes left in the 4th and the game is tied...
Posted on 8/21/14 at 10:59 pm to stevengtiger
I think they need to watch out for this dudes coming out party...Its been like 5 years in the making
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Posted on 8/21/14 at 11:01 pm to WDcajun
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I think they need to watch out for this dudes coming out party
Big time players make big time plays in big time games. He could certainly be the X-factor.
Posted on 8/21/14 at 11:04 pm to Johnkester59
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I have a hard time believing that this young LSU line is more talented than the USC team we faced last year and we ran at will against
The USC that beat you by 10? Paving the way for moral victory? Works for me...
Posted on 8/21/14 at 11:17 pm to tgerb8
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The USC that beat you by 10?
Eh, we were winning for most of the game until we lost our QB and our backup threw two picks in less than two quarters of action. It was definitely not the USC D-line that beat us, but Conner Shaw and Bruce Ellington (and Curt Phillips).
But none of that has anything to do with my post, which was about how UW has fared on the ground against elite D-lines. We ran for 293 yards at 6.8 per carry in that game, which I would call pretty much running at will.
This post was edited on 8/21/14 at 11:18 pm
Posted on 8/21/14 at 11:24 pm to Johnkester59
I guess my question is how much has the offense changed from BB?
While I think you guys will have some success running the ball our starters aren't scrubs. Kenny hilliard was our best back in 2011 then hill came and every one took a back seat. Magee showed flashes last season after switching back from wr and averaged over 7 yds a carry. We always spread the ball around under miles, don't let the numbers fool you. If hill was given the carries, he would have broken every record at LSU. The srs are very good and LF will get more than 500 yds as a frosh. We have always had frosh tbs emerge as the season plays out, even under saban.
While I think you guys will have some success running the ball our starters aren't scrubs. Kenny hilliard was our best back in 2011 then hill came and every one took a back seat. Magee showed flashes last season after switching back from wr and averaged over 7 yds a carry. We always spread the ball around under miles, don't let the numbers fool you. If hill was given the carries, he would have broken every record at LSU. The srs are very good and LF will get more than 500 yds as a frosh. We have always had frosh tbs emerge as the season plays out, even under saban.
Posted on 8/21/14 at 11:24 pm to tgerb8
Stave was injured against USC. He had 2 TDs and one pick. Phillips, a terrible backup whose career was destroyed by injuries was 1Td and two ints. Phillips makes Tebow look like Manning.
Gordon rushed for 140ish on 23 carries. White went for 100 on 12 carries. We rushed 43 times for 290.
We lost for one reason, Shaw. He was just great that day. If your qb can match him then we could have problems.
We have been able to run against every SEC team we have faced: Georgia, auburn, ark, tenn in our bowl games. For example, PJ Hill, Saints practice squander and our worst number one back in at least a decade, ran for 123 on 16 against Tenn in 08. They were ranked 12 and us 24 and we lost by four. And our slow defense held them to 66 on 29 carries.
LSU might be better defensively than those teams, but I doubt it.
The real question is whether we can stop your offense. To me, the game depends greatly on your qbs more than anything else.
I would bet on LSU, but I would not be shocked to see us win.
Gordon rushed for 140ish on 23 carries. White went for 100 on 12 carries. We rushed 43 times for 290.
We lost for one reason, Shaw. He was just great that day. If your qb can match him then we could have problems.
We have been able to run against every SEC team we have faced: Georgia, auburn, ark, tenn in our bowl games. For example, PJ Hill, Saints practice squander and our worst number one back in at least a decade, ran for 123 on 16 against Tenn in 08. They were ranked 12 and us 24 and we lost by four. And our slow defense held them to 66 on 29 carries.
LSU might be better defensively than those teams, but I doubt it.
The real question is whether we can stop your offense. To me, the game depends greatly on your qbs more than anything else.
I would bet on LSU, but I would not be shocked to see us win.
Posted on 8/21/14 at 11:27 pm to Johnkester59
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We ran for 293 yards at 6.8 per carry in that game, which I would call pretty much running at will.
I mean.. that's cool...
We beat bama by almost every statistical category in the book, including "running at will", in 2012..
The scoreboard apparently doesn't factor that in..
As such. I'll happily give you 293 yards and 6.8 yards per carry when we're up by 10 at the end of the 4th.
Posted on 8/21/14 at 11:33 pm to Johnkester59
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Seriously though we hear this every time we play a decent team. It may be more true against LSU than most but I think we will be just fine. I have a hard time believing that this young LSU line is more talented than the USC team we faced last year and we ran at will against them while opening huge holes. We have NFL O-linemen too.
People act as if our dlinemen haven't played a down. We lost our 2 starting dts and a de transferred. We return every one else. You think LSU plays 4 dlinemen? No we rotated frosh in last year. This year its time for those guys to step up just like ones in the past. We lose one lb worth a damn, return every one else. I'm sorry but our d is in much better position than the badgers. If that isn't enough go watch the tam u highlights and u will see this stick figure punking mike Evans.
Posted on 8/21/14 at 11:43 pm to dgnx6
Also is like to point out to wisky fans we rushed for 258 yds against USC after our entire online got hurt against uf. We had true frosh playing on the line in that game and josh d played the game of his life against clowney with two bad knees. USC ran for 34.
Good luck, but LSU is a diff animal.
Good luck, but LSU is a diff animal.
This post was edited on 8/21/14 at 11:46 pm
Posted on 8/21/14 at 11:43 pm to BuckyBadger
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We have been able to run against every SEC team we have faced: Georgia, auburn, ark, tenn in our bowl games.
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LSU might be better defensively than those teams, but I doubt it.
You're in for a rude awakening
If you would have mentioned Alabama or (sometimes) Florida.. yeah, those are our defensive peers in this league.This post was edited on 8/21/14 at 11:46 pm
Posted on 8/21/14 at 11:56 pm to Johnkester59
I am certainly hopeful lsu destroys yall on 8-30 ... but I always have liked Wisconsin and pull for yall all the time ...
and I will probably get killed on here for saying this but I think big 10 basketball is much more entertaining than the sec ...
i watch it every chance i get ....
and I will probably get killed on here for saying this but I think big 10 basketball is much more entertaining than the sec ...
i watch it every chance i get ....
Posted on 8/21/14 at 11:58 pm to dgnx6
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Also is like to point out to wisky fans we rushed for 258 yds against USC after our entire online got hurt against uf. We had true frosh playing on the line in that game and josh d played the game of his life against clowney with two bad knees. USC ran for 34.
Two years ago, not the same USC team that we played.
Posted on 8/22/14 at 12:06 am to dgnx6
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People act as if our dlinemen haven't played a down. We lost our 2 starting dts and a de transferred. We return every one else. You think LSU plays 4 dlinemen? No we rotated frosh in last year. This year its time for those guys to step up just like ones in the past. We lose one lb worth a damn, return every one else. I'm sorry but our d is in much better position than the badgers. If that isn't enough go watch the tam u highlights and u will see this stick figure punking mike Evans.
This is going to be the biggest problem for Wisconsin. I don't think they realize exactly how the DLine at LSU operates. We do not exactly have guys that come into the game and play every down. We rotate guys in and out all game. Even though you think your starters will handle our guys up front in the beginning, after three quaters of constantly rotating fresh guys in and out, it will take a toll on your OLine. Our LBs are the deepest we have seen in a long time and our secondary is tops in the country. I just don't see where our line is as big an issue as people are making it out to be
Posted on 8/22/14 at 12:08 am to dgnx6
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People act as if our dlinemen haven't played a down
I don't think anyone thinks that. What I said in that quote was that they will not be as good as a USC line that featured two first team All-Americans. They may be very good, great even, but that USC line was one for the ages.
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You think LSU plays 4 dlinemen? No we rotated frosh in last year.
Same goes for the UW D who most on here feel lost everybody. Every replacement we have except one (DE Obasih) has played significant snaps in their careers and most have started at some point. Now that is not to say our D's are on even footing, LSU's looks much stronger on paper, but that comparison is meaningless. It is the LSU O that they will be facing not your D. This appears to be a matchup of strength-vs-strength (UW O vs LSU D) and question mark-vs question mark on the other side (UW replacing their starting front 7 vs LSU replacing your QB, WRs, and RB).
Posted on 8/22/14 at 12:11 am to LSUNV
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We do not exactly have guys that come into the game and play every down. We rotate guys in and out all game. Even though you think your starters will handle our guys up front in the beginning, after three quaters of constantly rotating fresh guys in and out, it will take a toll on your OLine.
No we realize it completely, we do the exact same thing. We played 8 D-linemen a game last year in a 3-4. Do you realize how the UW O-line operates? They will not be the ones wearing down
Posted on 8/22/14 at 12:16 am to Johnkester59
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LSU replacing your QB, WRs, and RB
I actually believe contrary to some people that Our RBs and Wide receiving corp will be stronger this year because of our depth and not mention our OLine which is tops in the SEC and will be top 10 nationally by seasons end. If there is one big question mark it is at QB, but when was the last time that we have had consistent QB play over a few year period
Posted on 8/22/14 at 12:17 am to LSUNV
Runningbacks and O-line will not drop off but QB and WR definitely will. Talking about 3 NFL guys.
Posted on 8/22/14 at 12:18 am to Johnkester59
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No we realize it completely, we do the exact same thing. We played 8 D-linemen a game last year in a 3-4. Do you realize how the UW O-line operates? They will not be the ones wearing down
I give Our DLine the nod simply because all they have to do is fill their gap assignment and our LBs and corners will get pressure
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