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re: Brees, Rivers, Flacco, Mettenburger.......and Etling
Posted on 9/19/16 at 3:22 pm to Amused Lurker
Posted on 9/19/16 at 3:22 pm to Amused Lurker
quote:Hmmm, I guess so. I was thinking he was also responsible for Jennings, Rettig, Rivers. But, I think they were all committed prior to his joining in Feb 2013.
Cameron has only been here for three recruiting cycles, and he underwent cancer treatment which cost valuable time with Harris last year. His recruits are Harris, McMillan, Etling, and Scott.
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Posted on 9/19/16 at 3:23 pm to Meauxjeaux
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haha,
Clinton Dix.
Posted on 9/19/16 at 3:27 pm to Topwater Trout
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Does the nfl make a habit out of drafting undeveloped qb's?
Did you just not understand my post?
Development doesn't stop when you are drafted.
Posted on 9/19/16 at 3:30 pm to LNCHBOX
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Did you just not understand my post?
the problem is you misunderstood my post.
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Development doesn't stop when you are drafted.
I really can't believe you typed this
Posted on 9/19/16 at 3:34 pm to Topwater Trout
Let's take a look at the convo and see who can't read...
Now that we've done that, what exactly did I misunderstand? And why can't you believe the fact that I posted?
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are qbs developed in the nfl?
quote:quote:Yea, no QBs improve once they get to the league. Everyone knows you come straight out of college ready to tear up the NFL.
are qbs developed in the nfl?
quote:quote:Does the nfl make a habit out of drafting undeveloped qb's?
Yea, no QBs improve once they get to the league. Everyone knows you come straight out of college ready to tear up the NFL.
quote:quote:Did you just not understand my post?
Does the nfl make a habit out of drafting undeveloped qb's?
Development doesn't stop when you are drafted.
Now that we've done that, what exactly did I misunderstand? And why can't you believe the fact that I posted?
Posted on 9/19/16 at 3:48 pm to LNCHBOX
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what exactly did I misunderstand?
the reasons I asked the questions I asked
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And why can't you believe the fact that I posted?
that I needed to be told qb's develop/improve with nfl coaching
My point though was that most qb's get developed in college. Yes they improve in the nfl but they already have a foundation to build on. Once a player becomes a pro they can focus more time on learning defenses...but the base was formed in college.
Do you think the Mannings were developed in the NFL or college?
Posted on 9/19/16 at 3:51 pm to Topwater Trout
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the reasons I asked the questions I asked
No, I got it. I don't agree with it because it's ridiculous.
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Do you think the Mannings were developed in the NFL or college?
Both, and they'd be the first people to tell you that.
Posted on 9/19/16 at 3:54 pm to clamdip
The OC at LSU has been snakebitten the last six years. Parkinson's and cancer. And because 2011 went so well, Miles gave Stud another year at the OC before bringing in Cam in 2013. Cam improved Mett, but Jennings and Harris have struggled. Etling seems to be a gamer.
That being said, the offense design we see is a direct reflection of the great running backs we have, particularly Fournette. He is a downhill, punishing back. To compliment LF, we need an efficient passer who has a high percentage of 3rd down conversions and the ability to score on big plays. This may change next year but not with Fournette in the backfield.
That being said, the offense design we see is a direct reflection of the great running backs we have, particularly Fournette. He is a downhill, punishing back. To compliment LF, we need an efficient passer who has a high percentage of 3rd down conversions and the ability to score on big plays. This may change next year but not with Fournette in the backfield.
Posted on 9/19/16 at 3:55 pm to LNCHBOX
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Do you think the Mannings were developed in the NFL or college?
Looks like some basics on "basic development" is warranted. ER'BODY knows that development is a life long process, and especially as a QB. What this thread is about is whether the QB has "basic development" when Cam gets his hands on them. Harris lacked this, and no matter what drills he normally could use to ENHANCE an otherwise-basic-developed QB - above the basic development level -was not going to work. Just not. Harris lacked basic development. I contend it is the Louisiana HS system which wires these kids brains to tunnel vision, resulting in them gunslinging and running, but never developing field vision. I think Lindsey Scott offers an exception to that, as did Shea Patterson.
Get it?
This post was edited on 9/19/16 at 3:59 pm
Posted on 9/19/16 at 3:56 pm to LNCHBOX
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No, I got it. I don't agree with it because it's ridiculous.
That the nfl tends to draft qbs that are developed?
Posted on 9/19/16 at 3:57 pm to TigerBert
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ER'BODY knows that development is a life long process
Doesn't seem that way.
Posted on 9/19/16 at 3:57 pm to Topwater Trout
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That the nfl tends to draft qbs that are developed?
Just because they are developed enough to get drafted doesn't mean they can't be developed further. You really can't get that?
Posted on 9/19/16 at 4:00 pm to TigerBert
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Get it?
Yes. CC has become a qb developing guru b/c of Drew Brees and Joe Flacco...2 players he had the benefit of coaching in the nfl and not college. To me that basically answers your question. Some people may not "get it" though
Posted on 9/19/16 at 4:09 pm to TigerBert
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I contend it is the Louisiana HS system which wires these kids brains to tunnel vision, resulting in them gunslinging and running, but never developing field vision. I think Lindsey Scott offers an exception to that, as did Shea Patterson
why? I would think the development these kids receive in high school is coming more from qb camps than the coaches they have in high school.
Posted on 9/19/16 at 4:11 pm to Ace Midnight
Kind of a wild arse guess...given his track record...odds are better at least one leaves ....having to wait two years with Etling....and start competing after that with Brennan and narcisse
This post was edited on 9/19/16 at 5:21 pm
Posted on 9/19/16 at 4:54 pm to slackster
Quarterbacks are developed in high school and college. When they get to the NFL an offensive philosophy is built around them
Posted on 9/19/16 at 4:54 pm to TigerBert
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Note1: Mostly-already-developed means a QB who has good footwork and field vision and can stay calm and see his options and make smart decisions, while possessing the prerequisite adequate arm.
So, in other words, stop recruiting spread QBs to play in a pro-style system?
Posted on 9/19/16 at 5:01 pm to jcc4009
quote:It's the age of social media. I think we all compete with that.
competing after that with Brennan and narcissism?
Posted on 9/19/16 at 6:55 pm to TigerBert
Every guy that Cam has had success with, he never coached them up straight out of high school. He's an NFL type QB coach for sure.
Posted on 9/19/16 at 9:26 pm to Topwater Trout
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why? I would think the development these kids receive in high school is coming more from qb camps than the coaches they have in high school
1) There are an abundance of exceptional major college and NFL level athletes in Louisiana, and specifically so in south Louisiana.
2) HS football, and football in general, is as much as religion in Louisiana as it is anywhere. Bar none.
3) So....HS Coaches have lots of pressure to win...
4) So....they often have their best chance to win by putting their best athlete at QB, and "teaching" them to throw to their intended target, then to scramble and either throw to whichever of the 5 receivers and running back they find open, or to run the ball.
5) These great athletes are often not so great at the skills needed to be developed as an SEC QB, even though they have exceptional skills to win for their HS's, and to produce lots of impressive highlights
6) And these camps you refer to cannot offset the strong mental tendencies these players get in their substantial HS play.
7) So....LA HS QB's are not very likely to develop pocket presence skills or field vision
8) So....with just a few exceptions, LA HS QB's do not have the "basic development" needed to be an SEC level QB...
9) So.....they need a GREAT QB developer, not an ok or poor QB developer...
10) And Cam is NOT a great QB developer, he is a great QB USER.
11) So...Since most of Miles QB's have not been inherited, we have QB's who are not delivered to LSU with "basic QB development" due to Miles's recruiting focus, and the LSU staff has been poor at hiring a REAL QB developer.
12) But, Lindsey Scott, if ever given a TRUE CHANCE, appears that he may be the one guy Miles has recruited out of HS who does have basic development...so since we have the otherplace-developed Etling, and Scott waiting in the wings for 2 years, we may just escape this awful period of dreaded QB play from this point onwards and thru the end of the Miles era.
This post was edited on 9/19/16 at 9:43 pm
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