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Before you declare JJ guilty.....
Posted on 8/26/11 at 9:25 pm
Posted on 8/26/11 at 9:25 pm
Duke Lacrosse Players and Nancy Grace--Daily Show
I'm not saying this applies to JJ, but to convict him without knowing all the facts is just a betrayal of the justice system.
Many people have made the argument that he should be suspended based on the logic that "everyone in major sports is suspended when they are arrested for a felony."
I say: that is a fricking stupid argument. Just because it's the default in modern day "guilty until proven innocent" and "convict them in the media before all the facts are known" law doesn't make it right.
IMO, if a coach suspends an arrested player, it should be so that player can focus solely on his defense . It should be for the benefit of the PLAYER only, not because he got arrested.
That is how it should be in all life, whether that be a job, congressional seat, or sports: at any level.
Just because "the national media would crucify us" if we didn't suspend him doesn't make it the right decision.
If a person maintains their innocense after being arrested, they shouldn't suffer any consequences until they are PROVEN GUILTY in a court of law.
Have people forgotten this concept? We're all innocent until proven guilty in America?
Now I'm not saying JJ is innocent. I'm not saying JJ is guilty. I'm saying everyone should reserve judgement until all the facts are known.
The only valid reason to suspend JJ would be for one of just a few reasons:
1) he broke curfew (in that case you better suspend everyone who broke it)
OR
2) so JJ can focus on his defense without the distraction of being the QB of a major division 1 college football team.
But being arrested should never be an "automatic suspension." And that goes for everything in life.
:getsoffsoapbox:
I'm not saying this applies to JJ, but to convict him without knowing all the facts is just a betrayal of the justice system.
Many people have made the argument that he should be suspended based on the logic that "everyone in major sports is suspended when they are arrested for a felony."
I say: that is a fricking stupid argument. Just because it's the default in modern day "guilty until proven innocent" and "convict them in the media before all the facts are known" law doesn't make it right.
IMO, if a coach suspends an arrested player, it should be so that player can focus solely on his defense . It should be for the benefit of the PLAYER only, not because he got arrested.
That is how it should be in all life, whether that be a job, congressional seat, or sports: at any level.
Just because "the national media would crucify us" if we didn't suspend him doesn't make it the right decision.
If a person maintains their innocense after being arrested, they shouldn't suffer any consequences until they are PROVEN GUILTY in a court of law.
Have people forgotten this concept? We're all innocent until proven guilty in America?
Now I'm not saying JJ is innocent. I'm not saying JJ is guilty. I'm saying everyone should reserve judgement until all the facts are known.
The only valid reason to suspend JJ would be for one of just a few reasons:
1) he broke curfew (in that case you better suspend everyone who broke it)
OR
2) so JJ can focus on his defense without the distraction of being the QB of a major division 1 college football team.
But being arrested should never be an "automatic suspension." And that goes for everything in life.
:getsoffsoapbox:
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Posted on 8/26/11 at 9:26 pm to tiger1014
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Posted on 8/26/11 at 9:26 pm to tiger1014
Great post.
Posted on 8/26/11 at 9:27 pm to tiger1014
quote:
I'm not saying this applies to JJ
But you then posted it anyway.
Posted on 8/26/11 at 9:27 pm to tiger1014
tl;dr
But based on the subject, my declaration of guilt or innocence doesn't mean anything to him. I'll let the courts decide. I'm done with it.
But based on the subject, my declaration of guilt or innocence doesn't mean anything to him. I'll let the courts decide. I'm done with it.
Posted on 8/26/11 at 9:28 pm to TN Bhoy
quote:
I'm not saying this applies to JJ
But you then posted it anyway.
It most certainly could apply to JJ. I'm just saying he hasn't been proven innocent like the Duke kids, which is why it may not apply to him down the line.
Posted on 8/26/11 at 9:28 pm to tiger1014
quote:
I'm not saying this applies to JJ,
You're right; it doesn't.
So you could have stopped right there.
Posted on 8/26/11 at 9:28 pm to tiger1014
quote:
But being arrested should never be an "automatic suspension." And that goes for everything in life.
Why did you avoid my post in the other thread where you stated this?
Answer the question. Your child's school teacher is arrested for aggravated rape and murder of one of the other students in class. He makes bond, and is released until trial. Do you support that teacher returning to the classroom to teach your child.
Don't duck this.
Posted on 8/26/11 at 9:29 pm to tiger1014
quote:
tiger1014
This is at least the second time you've posted this junk. Just stop.
Posted on 8/26/11 at 9:30 pm to Festus
quote:
Why did you avoid my post in the other thread where you stated this?
Answer the question. Your child's school teacher is arrested for aggravated rape and murder of one of the other students in class. He makes bond, and is released until trial. Do you support that teacher returning to the classroom to teach your child.
Don't duck this.
I directly replied to that post. See that post for my answer.
Posted on 8/26/11 at 9:33 pm to tiger1014
quote:
tiger1014
go back to the politard board
Posted on 8/26/11 at 9:33 pm to TN Bhoy
quote:
This is at least the second time you've posted this junk. Just stop.
I posted it in another JJ thread 5 seconds ago actually. Thought the topic is very relevant to this case.
Duke Lacrosse is comparable to the Shady Four. Guilty until proven innocent. The Shady Four may be guilty, but they may very well be proven innocent.
Duke accuser: prostitute with a sketchy history
LSU accuser: stalker allegations and witnesses who have said he was the one who actually started the fight
Duke case: convicted by national media before went to trial
LSU case: convicted by national media before CHARGES were even filed
Posted on 8/26/11 at 9:33 pm to tiger1014
quote:
IMO, if a coach suspends an arrested player, it should be so that player can focus solely on his defense . It should be for the benefit of the PLAYER only, not because he got arrested.
Yes forget about the other 100 men trying to win a championship. Bull Sht. its about the team
Posted on 8/26/11 at 9:34 pm to natedawgslu10
quote:
natedawgslu10
I will kill you on Monday if you don't watch it....
Posted on 8/26/11 at 9:35 pm to nolatig
quote:
Yes forget about the other 100 men trying to win a championship. Bull Sht. its about the team
Oh really? Seems like having their starting QB (dubbed by the head coach in practice for months now) would give them that chance.
Why are people so afraid to let justice run its course? The truth will come out.
Posted on 8/26/11 at 9:36 pm to tiger1014
quote:
tiger1014
internet bad arse
Posted on 8/26/11 at 9:36 pm to tiger1014
quote:
I posted it in another JJ thread 5 seconds ago actually. Thought the topic is very relevant to this case.
quote:
I'm not saying this applies to JJ,
Posted on 8/26/11 at 9:37 pm to TN Bhoy
shithead!
Posted on 8/26/11 at 9:38 pm to bayoucook
quote:
shithead!
Huh?
ETA: Please learn how to reply to the person you want to reply to.
This post was edited on 8/26/11 at 9:40 pm
Posted on 8/26/11 at 9:38 pm to NorthshoreTiger76
quote:
internet bad arse
Why is that? I don't claim to be some tough guy in any of my posts here, especially in this thread.
But I tell this sort of thing in real life to people every day. Just like the Casey Anthony people. And the duke lacrosse people.
We have a justice system here. Just because someone is arrested doesn't make it ok to suspend them or make them prove their innocence. Let the state prove them guilty, which will be hard for them to do if they run a prosecution like they did their investigation.
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