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re: Basketball Team Has Many Problems

Posted on 11/25/14 at 9:06 am to
Posted by Cole Beer
Baton Rouge
Member since Aug 2008
4584 posts
Posted on 11/25/14 at 9:06 am to
For once in your life, take off your purple and gold glasses!
Posted by nicholastiger
Member since Jan 2004
42458 posts
Posted on 11/25/14 at 9:14 am to
After loss to West Va this season will be over as NCAA tournament will be a pipe dream at that point. Not enough juice in SEC schedule to help and won't beat UK.
Posted by Cmlsu5618
Destin, FL
Member since Sep 2010
3763 posts
Posted on 11/25/14 at 9:16 am to
We look like we're supposed to be
playing ball on a black top.
Posted by Weaver
Madisonville, LA
Member since Nov 2005
27721 posts
Posted on 11/25/14 at 9:20 am to
When does baseball season start.
Posted by Alt26
Member since Mar 2010
28310 posts
Posted on 11/25/14 at 9:30 am to
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ou aren't going to win many games when you can't make 3s. its not like the shots they are taking are horrible either. we are missing a ton of open 3s. once our shooters break out of the slump we will be fine. the season for sure is not lost and I still think lsu will finish 1, 2 or 3 in the sec. for those who disagree feel free to tell me the sec teams that have impressed you the most so far.


You can win games without being a great 3 point shooting team. To do so there has to be a greater emphasis on getting points in the paint and playing strong defense. Even before the season there was (or at least should have been) questions about LSU's perimeter/3 point shooting ability. TQ was a below avg. shooter, as was Martin. Gray was not known as a "shooter" either. Really Hornsby was the only guy, and he has shown thus far to be very streaky. The strength of this team was NEVER going to be 3 point shooting. This line up probably won't shoot as bad from deep as the season goes on as they have in the first few games, but they aren't going be a great "shooting" team at any point in the season.

In the SEC UK has been impressive as has Ark. Florida has struggled with some key guys being out, but when you have has a much success as Billy Donovan has had there's no reason to think they won't turn things around. I also think Alabama has looked better than they did at any point last season.

LSU has simply looked bad in all 5 games out of the gate. They played ZERO defense against GWU and then had a complete lack of awareness at then end of the game and damn near let GWU back in by taking shots early in the shot clock with 2:00 to go.

Against an avg. (at best) TTU the defense improved a bit, but poor shooters continuously jacked up shot after shot. There were long stretches of the game where LSU couldn't make a FG. If it wasn't for TQ, LSU loses.

ODU, Weber and Clemson were more of the same. IMO LSU is fortunate to only have 2 losses. I'd be more confident that this would get turned around if the same problems they have had thus far this year weren't the same problems they never fixed last season.

The season isn't "lost", but to watch this team right now and think that they'll finish in the top-3 of the SEC is absurd. This group looks much worse that last year's squad at this point, and that group was only able to finish .500 in the league.
Posted by T
Member since Jan 2004
9889 posts
Posted on 11/25/14 at 9:55 am to
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You can win games without being a great 3 point shooting team.


where did I say that we have to be great? if we are an average 3 point shooting team we will be good. you have to at least make teams respect the fact that you might make it.

its kinda like football. if we had a decent passing game, teams would not stack 9 in the box and we'd be tough to beat. instead we have no passing game, so they clog up the inside and we are screwed. if we continue to shoot 20% from 3 point range, teams will pack in the lane and shut down everything. having the threat of making 3 pointers helps our inside game as much as anything

Posted by Alt26
Member since Mar 2010
28310 posts
Posted on 11/25/14 at 10:18 am to
quote:

where did I say that we have to be great? if we are an average 3 point shooting team we will be good. you have to at least make teams respect the fact that you might make it.


The problem is that this team isn't going to even be an avg. 3 point shooting team. That was evident even before the season started. Who besides Hornsby is a legitimate 3 point threat? TQ and Gray aren't "shooters". Martin showed last season that he can make 3's, but it is a complete waste of his skill set to have him just simply be an outside shooter.

UK struggled last season (for their standards) until about mid-way through SEC play until Calipari reached the conclusion that his team simply couldn't knock down outside shots with any consistency. At that point they used their athleticism to attack the basket every possession. They finished the season as national runner-up being ranked 288 in 3 point apg, and number 1 in FT per game.

LSU has a similar type of line up (albeit not as talented overall) Of their 5 best players 4 are guys who are better slashers than shooters. What's a more reasonable attack? Continue to settle for 3 pointers/perimeter jumpers and hope that a bunch of below avg shooters get hot? Or take some very athletic guys and constantly attack the bucket? With this lineup LSU should shoot (at minimum) 20 FT per game.
Posted by LSU8654722
Member since Apr 2014
1495 posts
Posted on 11/25/14 at 10:19 am to
Hornsby is getting better every game. I think he'll be solid next year when we get simmons.

Gray is a ball hog, and needs to pass a whole lot more. Judging by his history: he plays somewhere, doesn't like being told what to do, then leaves for another school. He's done this 4 times. Johnny Jones has a lot of work to do with this kid, if he stays around.

We do need a 3-pt threat like Andre Stringer was.
Posted by tom
Baton Rouge
Member since Jun 2007
8156 posts
Posted on 11/25/14 at 10:28 am to
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I think JA tried to find a bigger name to silence the "Johnny Jones" faction.



No. He fake interviewed a bunch of mid-tier coaches to get them extensions. Jones was the only real candidate.
Posted by tadelatt
Buga Nation
Member since Jan 2010
12255 posts
Posted on 11/25/14 at 10:37 am to
quote:

Up to this point Gray and Hornsby are not playing anywhere near what was advertised.


Did you see Ads we didn't? Gray is going to be good, not great. He will learn. Takes time.

quote:

Mickey is playing great but could be even greater. He gets pushed around on defense and gives up too many easy shots next to the basket. Late in the game today he was wide open and could have dribbled five feet closer to take his jump shot but instead just gunned it up from near three point line.


Mickey played horrible against Old Dominion and we lost. But he played good against Clemson and we lost.

He is our best player but will have more games of 6 pts and 6 boards when SEC rolls around without any help from his teammates. He is a good player, but works better with a big man next to him. (Tyrus Thomas)

quote:

They need to regroup and do it quickly or this season will be tough.



They did.

Who expected this team to make it to the Final Four this year? Seriously, who? Because they are mediocre right now with a solid MVP in Mickey. But you can't win anything with one talented guy. You need defense and a team of players to come together to make it work.

We need more scoring from Martin. Dude should be a 25ppg guy. Not sure the issues.
Posted by LSU Groupee
Member since Oct 2012
4026 posts
Posted on 11/25/14 at 10:38 am to
It's a little early in the season to already be proclaiming a long year ahead for this team.

Basketball is not football. This team has lots of time yet to develop and have a strong season.

A rush to judgment on new players after five games is foolish.
Posted by Tom Bronco
Austin, TX
Member since Jun 2011
2650 posts
Posted on 11/25/14 at 10:42 am to
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Hornsby is getting better every game.
His last game was his worse one. 2-12 shooting, 0-5 3 point and 2 turnovers. He did get an assist and 2 steals but hardly a player that is getting better. I would argue his first game was his best.
Posted by crash1211
Houma
Member since May 2008
3134 posts
Posted on 11/25/14 at 10:47 am to
I'm not a basketball guy by any stretch of the imagination. In the games I've watched so far this year I don't see them working to get in the paint with the big guys. They should be pounding it inside trying to get easy baskets or to the line. Looks like size is their strong point. I've seen a lot of throwing up jump shots without anybody inside to get a off rebound. They don't look like a well coached team right now. They look very sloppy.
Posted by SportsGuyNOLA
New Orleans, LA
Member since May 2014
17004 posts
Posted on 11/25/14 at 10:49 am to
This is looking like an NIT team, at best.

I'm curious to see how they do once the conference schedule gets going.
Posted by mmcgrath
Indianapolis
Member since Feb 2010
35385 posts
Posted on 11/25/14 at 11:12 am to
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you aren't going to win many games when you can't make 3s. its not like the shots they are taking are horrible either. we are missing a ton of open 3s. once our shooters break out of the slump we will be fine. the season for sure is not lost and I still think lsu will finish 1, 2 or 3 in the sec. for those who disagree feel free to tell me the sec teams that have impressed you the most so far.
You really think that LSU can possibly finish 1st in the SEC? Is there some NCAA investigation into Kentucky we aren't aware of yet?
Posted by Tom Bronco
Austin, TX
Member since Jun 2011
2650 posts
Posted on 11/25/14 at 11:12 am to
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Not much objectivity in your post. Please tell us why you think a certain Ayer is overrated?
I am basing my remarks on what I have seen in the games not press releases. I assume you are talking about Martin although why you don't use his name I don't know. Martin is 6'10" and yet he plays like 6'6". On offense he sets up way out on the wing and hardly moves at all. He takes a lot of 3 point shots. Last year he shot 33% from three. Not horrible but certainly not good. This year he is 1-14 .017 which is way beyond horrible.

So he tries to be a 3 point shooter which he is not. He has no post moves and in fact never does post up with his back to the basket. His driving moves to the basket are not smooth and only work occasionally because he is very tall. He misses a lot of short shots and put backs around the goal because he is too timid and doesn't go up strong. His defense is only so so and he loses his man quite often.

Overall shooting percentage this year is 40.9% and last year it was 47.1%. The first is terrible and the second is mediocre for someone with his hype.

What is he good at? Okay free throw shooter, fair rebounder and can make spectacular dunks off of the fast break and the occasional alley-oop pass.

Besides stats the thing that I don't see in him is passion. He is passive, almost listless at times. You never see him fired up being aggressive,energetic, pumping his fists. It is almost like he is there because he has to be, not because he wants to be.
This post was edited on 11/25/14 at 11:25 am
Posted by spiderman
Member since Jan 2004
1176 posts
Posted on 11/25/14 at 11:40 am to
quote:

Jones seems like a nice guy, but Alleva let the BBQ club dictate that hiring.


Agreed. What did everyone expect when we hired a shite coach from N. Texas w/ a mediocre record that no one else wanted? Pay some big money and hire a sought after coach and then we'll see results. Until then, NIT or bust.
Posted by LSU Groupee
Member since Oct 2012
4026 posts
Posted on 11/25/14 at 11:49 am to
quote:

They don't look like a well coached team right now. They look very sloppy.


Shooting poorly from the field does that and to any team. You guys are making way too much out of five games, three of which were played in the Caribbean. Who knows how this team will be playing after 10-15 games as a unit.
Posted by pellietigersaint
Tiger Stadium
Member since Aug 2005
19043 posts
Posted on 11/25/14 at 12:03 pm to
quote:

Gray is a ball hog, and needs to pass a whole lot more


hey crackhead, How many games have you watched this season? Gray has been extremely passive thus far. Only the last game against Clemson did he get more assertive.

damn son, if you are gonna bitch about something, at least be accurate
Posted by tiggah1981
Winterfell
Member since Aug 2007
17025 posts
Posted on 11/25/14 at 1:25 pm to
Premature hype goes as expected
This post was edited on 11/25/14 at 1:26 pm
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