re: At What Point will Anything Other Than an SEC Champ. and NC not be Acceptable?

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LSU is content with winning games

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link?

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Then you look at the talent in the NFL and it's just filthy. Top round picks, starting RBs on 3 playoff teams, record breaking WRs, a pro bowl offensive lineman (Turner) plus several starting OL and a rookie making a name for himself. All pros on defense in the secondary, 4 starting linebackers on 4 different teams, several starting DL players, not including a rookie hybrid backup with 7 sacks. I mean it's just unbelievable the talent that has run through this place since 2007 (yes all these players I'm talking about have played at LSU AFTER 2007), yet LSU has 1 conference championship plus 1 conference championship berth, 1 national championship berth (including a sickening loss in it), and one season with less than 2 losses...
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The difference is that most all of this NFL talent finishes its development in the NFL where similar talent at Alabama finishes it their senior years at Alabama.

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At What Point will Anything Other Than an SEC Champ. and NC not be Acceptable?

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When the Athletic Administration successfully sells mediocrity to the LSU masses. And judging from the OP all systems are geaux.

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Then you look at the talent in the NFL and it's just filthy. Top round picks, starting RBs on 3 playoff teams, record breaking WRs, a pro bowl offensive lineman (Turner) plus several starting OL and a rookie making a name for himself. All pros on defense in the secondary, 4 starting linebackers on 4 different teams, several starting DL players, not including a rookie hybrid backup with 7 sacks. I mean it's just unbelievable the talent that has run through this place since 2007 (yes all these players I'm talking about have played at LSU AFTER 2007), yet LSU has 1 conference championship plus 1 conference championship berth, 1 national championship berth (including a sickening loss in it), and one season with less than 2 losses.

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yup.

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Finishing 3rd, 5th, and 4th in you own division with the talent and expense LSU pays for coaching and recruiting, makes zero sense.

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+1000.

We didn't go 3-5, we went 5-3. If the standard is that we have to beat Bama and Saban consistently and win the SEC repeatedly then no one will ever due.

IMHO, the standard should be to bring in the best athletes we can and make sure to build their character and turn them into fine young men and make sure they get an appropriate education. If your standards are otherwise, then you need to find another team outside the SEC to follow. Better yet, just become Bama fans because NO ONE IS GOING TO BEAT SABAN anytime in the conceivable future. Did you even watch the game last night???"?????

Tigerfaninsouthland, I'm right there with you. If we are going to accept Miles's present production we need to cut his salary down to about 50,000 dollars a year. I don't even know if we'd be getting our moneys worth with a cut to that level. I do know that he's getting paid way too much to be giving us what we are getting now. I believe that Miles is doing the best he can. It will unfortunately take a while to get rid of him. There are too many people who still have confidence in him. I'm really bewildered as to why. You need not look further than the results of the last four years to see we need to get someone in here the game hasn't passed up.

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Nowhere near the levels of LSU from 2011-15 - I'm talking about starters and true difference-makers. Bama has had much more junior and senior laden teams in the past 5 years

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I hope you are not saying that because of this, we need to accept this as an excuse and excuse the head man for the mediocre performance of the team for the last 4 years. At a minimum he needs to talk a few of those guys out of going to the NFL early. That's his responsibility.

Les Miles...it is what it is.

I think it is unacceptable, but what do I know.

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These aren't unrealistic expectations. LSU will had its 3rd top 6 class in a row, one of the highest paid coaching staffs in CFB, and losing to Arkansas AND Ole Miss in back to back games is not something that should be accepted. Losing to them by multiple TDs is ridiculous. Fumbling around with the likes of Syracuse and Eastern Michigan is pitiful. Then you look at the talent in the NFL and it's just filthy. Top round picks, starting RBs on 3 playoff teams, record breaking WRs, a pro bowl offensive lineman (Turner) plus several starting OL and a rookie making a name for himself. All pros on defense in the secondary, 4 starting linebackers on 4 different teams, several starting DL players, not including a rookie hybrid backup with 7 sacks. I mean it's just unbelievable the talent that has run through this place since 2007 (yes all these players I'm talking about have played at LSU AFTER 2007), yet LSU has 1 conference championship plus 1 conference championship berth, 1 national championship berth (including a sickening loss in it), and one season with less than 2 losses. Since the last national championship win, LSU has lost at least 3 games in 6 of those 8 years. We have been to 3 big bowl games in Miles's 11 year tenure with 2 of them coming in the first 3 years. LSU's talent is second only to Bama in the SEC West. LSU has finished no better than 3rd in the West the past 3 years. Finishing 3rd, 5th, and 4th in you own division with the talent and expense LSU pays for coaching and recruiting, makes zero sense.

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Quoting this for posterity. This is one of the most rational things I have read on this site, and really drives home where the program has been the last couple of years.