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Are there transcendent athletes?

Posted on 2/5/09 at 1:46 pm
Posted by Rougarou4lsu
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Posted on 2/5/09 at 1:46 pm
Is it safe to assume that there were some transcendent athletes at LSU that would have started on any LSU team. Some of those special players included Pete Maravich, Tommy Casanova,
Shaquille O'Neal, Alan Faneca and Glen Dorsey. And maybe Joey Belle and big Ben MacDonald.If you
saw these guys play, what do you say?
Posted by N.O. via West-Cal
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Posted on 2/5/09 at 1:51 pm to
I'm with you on every one that you named. Did not see Maravich or Cassanova in college but based on their pro careers and collegiate accomplishments, I don't think you've gone overboard in the least bit. Cannon is probably another. Even without taking into account modern training, nutrition, etc., his "measurables" such as size and speed translate into today's game without any difficulty whatsoever.

Posted by wilfont
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Posted on 2/5/09 at 1:51 pm to
Maravich and Casonova for certain. Impossible to say about Shaq, Faneca or Dorsey because we haven't experienced the next stage of athletic progression yet. Basketball and its athletes could evolve over the next 100 years to make someone like Shaq obselete.
Posted by Rougarou4lsu
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Posted on 2/5/09 at 2:00 pm to
We are talking about then to now. So far. Not the future.
Posted by wilfont
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Posted on 2/5/09 at 2:07 pm to
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We are talking about then to now. So far. Not the future

Then how would current players be considered? Unless you're asking if Shaq would have dominated the NBA in 1948. The answer is yes. Any individual playing college or professional athletics in 2009 could certainly compete in an earlier era.
Posted by biglego
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Posted on 2/5/09 at 2:10 pm to
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Are there transcendent athletes?

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Pete Maravich, Tommy Casanova,
Shaquille O'Neal, Alan Faneca and Glen Dorsey.

Of course. But would anyone add Kevin Faulk, Laron Landry, Brandon Larson, or Josh Reed?
Posted by biglego
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Posted on 2/5/09 at 2:11 pm to
Shaq was listed as one of the all time NBA players a few years ago, so I dont think there will ever be a college team that he couldnt start on.
Posted by Rougarou4lsu
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Posted on 2/5/09 at 2:14 pm to
Is there no tight end in the last 50 years who could have started ahead of Billy? If thats the case, football hasn't evolved as much as these young guys think, huh?
Posted by biglego
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Posted on 2/5/09 at 2:16 pm to
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Is there no tight end in the last 50 years who could have started ahead of Billy?

Yeah, at TE I'd take Eddie Lafleur, Richard Dickson, or Robert Royal. Seriously. Hard to tell though since Billy didnt have modern training.
Posted by wilfont
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Posted on 2/5/09 at 2:17 pm to
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Shaq was listed as one of the all time NBA players a few years ago, so I dont think there will ever be a college team that he couldnt start on.

I tend to agree but I also realize anyone watching George Mikan play in the early 40's would have said the same thing about him. George, without an evolution to his game, couldn't play or at least not be dominant today. Who's to say the evolution of athletes over the next 5 decades might not render Shaq just as obsolete?
Posted by Rougarou4lsu
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Posted on 2/5/09 at 2:20 pm to
You really think any of those three could run back a punt 84 yards in the mud? And what in their LSU stats gives you that idea?
Posted by biglego
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Posted on 2/5/09 at 2:20 pm to
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Who's to say the evolution of athletes over the next 5 decades might not render Shaq just as obsolete?

I guess I just cant imagine athletes changing that much in the next 50 years. Seems that unless steroids are freely allowed, athletes are reaching the limits of...I dunno, biology or physiology. you know what I'm trying to say.
Posted by wilfont
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Posted on 2/5/09 at 2:21 pm to
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s there no tight end in the last 50 years who could have started ahead of Billy? If thats the case, football hasn't evolved as much as these young guys think, huh?

I completely agree. Someone like Cannon could play today and be a star. I think Billy's skills and abilities lend themselves to tmaking the transition to another era better than someone like Shaq.
Posted by biglego
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Posted on 2/5/09 at 2:22 pm to
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You really think any of those three could run back a punt 84 yards in the mud? And what in their LSU stats gives you that idea?

No, but at the Tight End position I would take them over Billy. And I'm not positive Billy would hvae run wild on today's special teams athletes either.
Posted by biglego
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Posted on 2/5/09 at 2:23 pm to
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Someone like Cannon could play today and be a star.

Yeah, assuming he gets modern training, I'm pretty sure he could. Not most of his contemporaries though.
Posted by JIMBLAST
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Posted on 2/5/09 at 2:23 pm to
Would a player like say AJ Duhe be considered as a possible LSU transcendent athlete?

What about say...Dalton Hilliard?

Would you throw Charlie Alexander in there?

How about some that people might consider a stretch such as Carlos Carson, David Woodley, etc?
Posted by wilfont
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Posted on 2/5/09 at 2:26 pm to
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I guess I just cant imagine athletes changing that much in the next 50 years. Seems that unless steroids are freely allowed, athletes are reaching the limits of...I dunno, biology or physiology. you know what I'm trying to say.

I know exactly what you're saying and I have the same difficulty imagining what an athlete 50 years down the road will look like. But then I compare players and their physiques from the 40's with athletes today and can't come up with a good enough reason not to believe the evolution will continue.

Just when we think someone has run a fast, jumped as high, or lifted as much as is humanly possible, someone comes along to break the record.

I'm 34 so I might be around when someone runs the 6 second 100 meters.
Posted by biglego
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Posted on 2/5/09 at 2:26 pm to
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What about say...Dalton Hilliard?

I think so.

quote:

How about some that people might consider a stretch such as Carlos Carson, David Woodley, etc?

Or Kevin Faulk, Kevin Mawae, Booger, Bradie James?
Posted by biglego
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Posted on 2/5/09 at 2:29 pm to
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I'm 34 so I might be around when someone runs the 6 second 100 meters

I would pay good money to witness those 6 seconds.
Posted by JIMBLAST
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Posted on 2/5/09 at 2:33 pm to
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Kevin Faulk, Kevin Mawae, Booger, Bradie James?


Absolutely! There are a number of players who would fit into this mold. How about say comparing Jim Taylor to todays Jacob Hester? Or say Y.A. Tittle to Matt Mauck? What about Burt Jones playing in place of Matt Flynn?

I think to have this conversation you'd have to be drunk or stoned to make it even more interesting!


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