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re: are any of the kickers on scholly?
Posted on 10/5/17 at 8:58 am to Upperdecker
Posted on 10/5/17 at 8:58 am to Upperdecker
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Name a successful college coach that calls out his players individually in front of the media and throws them under the bus. And provide a quote. I'm waiting
“The things that were wrong is guys missed kicks and the guy didn’t field a punt. What else?" Saban said when asked about his kicking game.
I am ready to get a high ceiling coach as much as anyone, but can we stop with comments that have no basis in reality pls. It makes unqualified people easier to defend when you start talking out of your arse.
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Posted on 10/5/17 at 9:01 am to CheeseTiger251
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“The things that were wrong is guys missed kicks and the guy didn’t field a punt. What else?" Saban said when asked about his kicking game.
While the message is the exact same, the delivery is in no way comparable. You realize that, correct?
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I am ready to get a high ceiling coach as much as anyone, but can we stop with comments that have no basis in reality pls. It makes unqualified people easier to defend when you start talking out of your arse.
Ah. No, you clearly don't realize it.
Posted on 10/5/17 at 9:04 am to RB10
I don’t know about that. For field goal kicks timing is imperative. If everything isn’t clockwork it’s a mess.
You can’t tell me a kid who spent 18 yrs kicking a specific way is going to undo all his habits after two weeks of training. Plus miles recruited gamble, and he had a pretty good track record with kickers. If he was serviceable on field goals I imagine miles would have put him there.
You can’t tell me a kid who spent 18 yrs kicking a specific way is going to undo all his habits after two weeks of training. Plus miles recruited gamble, and he had a pretty good track record with kickers. If he was serviceable on field goals I imagine miles would have put him there.
Posted on 10/5/17 at 9:07 am to CheeseTiger251
Bret Bielema called out his kicker after the TCU loss.
“The two missed field goals were just embarrassing,” Bielema said during his postgame radio interview. “We’ll go for it every time or we have to find a new kicker. I’m done with this.”
“The two missed field goals were just embarrassing,” Bielema said during his postgame radio interview. “We’ll go for it every time or we have to find a new kicker. I’m done with this.”
Posted on 10/5/17 at 9:08 am to CheeseTiger251
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You can’t tell me a kid who spent 18 yrs kicking a specific way is going to undo all his habits after two weeks of training. Plus miles recruited gamble, and he had a pretty good track record with kickers. If he was serviceable on field goals I imagine miles would have put him there.
Sure I can. I know a kid who kicked for Southern Miss that had to change his entire approach, much like Gamble needs to. He was a count hair away from making it in the NFL too.
I'm not saying Gamble would be ready for action after two weeks. I'm saying you can fix his habits in two weeks. Becoming comfortable with the technique, just like anything else, is dependent on the individual.
A golf pro can fix my swing in 4-5 lessons. It's on me to become comfortable with that new swing. Kicking is no different.
Posted on 10/5/17 at 9:08 am to Captain Want
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If he thinks we're losing games because of our field goal kicker then we are in even more trouble than we think.
I believe you missed the point of his comment all together
Posted on 10/5/17 at 9:09 am to RB10
Did Saban call players out individually? Yes
Did Saban throw them under the bus? Yes
Is Saban a successful coach? Yes
I was asked to find a quote with these criteria. Delivery (which is subjective btw) was not one of the criteria presented. Thus, I did not address it.
Did Saban throw them under the bus? Yes
Is Saban a successful coach? Yes
I was asked to find a quote with these criteria. Delivery (which is subjective btw) was not one of the criteria presented. Thus, I did not address it.
Posted on 10/5/17 at 9:12 am to CheeseTiger251
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I was asked to find a quote with these criteria. Delivery (which is subjective btw) was not one of the criteria presented. Thus, I did not address it.
Context and delivery matter in everything. It's amazing to me how many people don't understand this.
No one is saying coaches don't throw players under the bus from time to time. What people are saying is coaches generally mask it with some coach speak. Coming out and flat out telling the media your players suck is not constructive in any way.
Do keep up if you want to have a decent conversation please.
This post was edited on 10/5/17 at 9:14 am
Posted on 10/5/17 at 9:14 am to CheeseTiger251
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The things that were wrong is guys missed kicks and the guy didn’t field a punt. What else?" Saban said when asked about his kicking game.
There’s a difference between pointing out the mistakes in one game and telling the entire world that the players on your team are so lousy they aren’t even worth coaching. O did the latter. He decided there is no reason to work with an entire position group for the remainder of the year.
Posted on 10/5/17 at 9:22 am to RB10
I try to avoid addressing subjective criteria because it is not based in fact.
If you want me to address delivery:
Explain to me how Saban (a man who is referred to as curmudgeonly) delivered a message that ended sarcastically with “what else?” managed to implement a delivery that is “completely different” from O’s delivery.
What it seems is you are giving Saban the benefit of the doubt because he is Saban, which, honestly, is fine. However, the argument should be Saban can do that because he is the GOAT. NOT Saban delivered the message with coach speak, which he didn’t.
If you want me to address delivery:
Explain to me how Saban (a man who is referred to as curmudgeonly) delivered a message that ended sarcastically with “what else?” managed to implement a delivery that is “completely different” from O’s delivery.
What it seems is you are giving Saban the benefit of the doubt because he is Saban, which, honestly, is fine. However, the argument should be Saban can do that because he is the GOAT. NOT Saban delivered the message with coach speak, which he didn’t.
Posted on 10/5/17 at 9:25 am to Macavity92
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There’s a difference between pointing out the mistakes in one game and telling the entire world that the players on your team are so lousy they aren’t even worth coaching. O did the latter
Now see this is a valid argument, which I can appreciate even though it argues against my post.
Posted on 10/5/17 at 9:25 am to CheeseTiger251
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I try to avoid addressing subjective criteria because it is not based in fact.
95% of the conversations you will have in life have subjective criteria involved. Good luck with that.
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Explain to me how Saban (a man who is referred to as curmudgeonly) delivered a message that ended sarcastically with “what else?” managed to implement a delivery that is “completely different” from O’s delivery.
We missed some kicks =/= We just don't have a field goal kicker.
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What it seems is you are giving Saban the benefit of the doubt because he is Saban, which, honestly, is fine. However, the argument should be Saban can do that because he is the GOAT. NOT Saban delivered the message with coach speak, which he didn’t.
Saban gets credit for not flat out saying his kickers suck, like Orgeron did. You're correct and I'm gald we've cleared that up.
Posted on 10/5/17 at 9:29 am to RB10
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A golf pro can fix my swing in 4-5 lessons. It's on me to become comfortable with that new swing. Kicking is no different.
Also, my sister is going pro in golf, and I can unequivocally say you have no idea what you are talking about.
You can practice something every day and still develop bad habits. You can have a pro coach picking at every little detail of your swing, and the next day without them you can unknowingly start pick up a different bad habit. Pros have coaches teach them until they retire. It’s a continual process not a destination.
Don’t talk about things you know nothing about.
Posted on 10/5/17 at 9:30 am to LSU
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Bret Bielema called out his kicker after the TCU loss.
“The two missed field goals were just embarrassing,” Bielema said during his postgame radio interview. “We’ll go for it every time or we have to find a new kicker. I’m done with this.”
See, this guy actually found an example of a coach doing what Orgeron did. Funny enough it's Bielema who's on the verge of being run out of town by the Arkansas fan base.
Posted on 10/5/17 at 9:32 am to thunderbird1100
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the previous staff thought it prudent to give him a scholarship to kick it through the endzone and that's it.
Yup
Only to have him try and coffin corner every KO inside the 5. Miles abd BDP
Posted on 10/5/17 at 9:34 am to CheeseTiger251
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You can practice something every day and still develop bad habits. You can have a pro coach picking at every little detail of your swing, and the next day without them you can unknowingly start pick up a different bad habit. Pros have coaches teach them until they retire. It’s a continual process not a destination.
You do understand I'm not saying two weeks with a coach and Gamble is fixed forever correct? A dedicated ST coordinator hires staff members who work with kickers all year long. If it came off that way that was my mistake.
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Don’t talk about things you know nothing about.
Says the guy making absolute statements about the football kicking game that are flat out wrong and who struggles to keep up with simple conversation.
This is fricking classic.
This post was edited on 10/5/17 at 9:35 am
Posted on 10/5/17 at 9:34 am to LSU
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Really? It would motivate me tremendously to prove him wrong.
If the head coach was worthy of respect, sure. The guy is a loser and a dog shite coach. On top of all of that, he DIDNT EVEN HIRE A SPECIAL TEAMS COACH and still blames the kickers. The guy is an all out embarrassment to my university
Posted on 10/5/17 at 9:35 am to RB10
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We missed some kicks =/= We just don't have a field goal kicker.
Ah see now that is a matter of content not a matter of delivery. If that is what you wanted to discuss then you should have said so and not* said the delivery and context were different.
This post was edited on 10/5/17 at 9:39 am
Posted on 10/5/17 at 9:36 am to CheeseTiger251
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Ah see now that is a matter of content not a matter of delivery. If that is what you wanted to discuss then you should have said so and said the delivery and context were different.
So both coaches aren't saying the kicking game is bad? Please, elaborate on what each is saying then.
Posted on 10/5/17 at 9:36 am to Upperdecker
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Name a successful college coach that calls out his players individually in front of the media and throws them under the bus. And provide a quote. I'm waiting
Paul Mainieri
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