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Any umpires on the Rant.........
Posted on 3/29/17 at 3:36 pm
Posted on 3/29/17 at 3:36 pm
Fastpitch softball scenario:
Bottom of last inning and tie ballgame. Runners on 1st and 2nd with 1 out. Batter hits ball to deep right center field and center fielder makes a diving catch. Runner on 2nd tags up and scores winning run but runner on 1st never tagged and was between 1st and 2nd base when winning run scored so she takes off to celebrate with team at home plate. Other team appeals no tag at 1st base and runner is called out but umpires say run counts because the runner crossed the plate before the appeal was made. Is this the right call??
Bottom of last inning and tie ballgame. Runners on 1st and 2nd with 1 out. Batter hits ball to deep right center field and center fielder makes a diving catch. Runner on 2nd tags up and scores winning run but runner on 1st never tagged and was between 1st and 2nd base when winning run scored so she takes off to celebrate with team at home plate. Other team appeals no tag at 1st base and runner is called out but umpires say run counts because the runner crossed the plate before the appeal was made. Is this the right call??
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Posted on 3/29/17 at 3:38 pm to tiger nutz
Yes. Run counts.
Posted on 3/29/17 at 3:40 pm to tiger nutz
The base runner is forced out at first, so I would think the runner scoring from second doesn't count.
Disclaimer: Haven't umpired since the summer after high school
I just looked it up, and I'm wrong. Evidently the appeal is a "time play" instead of a force out, so the run stays on the board.
Disclaimer: Haven't umpired since the summer after high school
I just looked it up, and I'm wrong. Evidently the appeal is a "time play" instead of a force out, so the run stays on the board.
This post was edited on 3/29/17 at 3:43 pm
Posted on 3/29/17 at 3:41 pm to tiger nutz
If the tag to first base was applied AFTER the runner from second scored then yes the run counts.
Posted on 3/29/17 at 3:47 pm to tiger nutz
The appeal requires the base to be tagged and is not an automatic call by the umpire. The run counts and the out is considered a force/tag out in real time.
Posted on 3/29/17 at 3:56 pm to tiger nutz
Run counts
Posted on 3/29/17 at 3:56 pm to tiger nutz
quote:
Any umpires on the Rant.......
Tons...
Posted on 3/29/17 at 3:58 pm to tiger nutz
How do you expect any of them to be able to see to read what's on here?
Posted on 3/29/17 at 3:58 pm to lsutigermall
quote:There is no force/tag out in real time. The game ended when runner crossed the plate.
The run counts and the out is considered a force/tag out in real time.
Posted on 3/29/17 at 3:59 pm to DallasTiger45
quote:
The base runner is forced out at first
There was no force.. batter never became a runner.. the runner on first chose to leave the base, not because of a force
Posted on 3/29/17 at 4:02 pm to yaherrdme
quote:I think he means the runner that left early is forced back to first base, but he can clarify I guess.
There was no force.. batter never became a runner.. the runner on first chose to leave the base, not because of a force
Posted on 3/29/17 at 4:02 pm to The Mick
quote:
The game ended when runner crossed the plate.
The correct answer.
Posted on 3/29/17 at 4:03 pm to tiger nutz
Time Play. Run scores.
Posted on 3/29/17 at 4:05 pm to The Mick
quote:
I think he means the runner that left early is forced back to first base, but he can clarify I guess.
That is not a "force".. the base runner messed up and left a base.. a "force" is when the base runner has to leave the base... since there was no force, the run counts
Posted on 3/29/17 at 4:08 pm to yaherrdme
quote:I understand what a force is. I thought he was saying force to mean the runner that left early had to return to first base. Doesn't matter. frick it.
That is not a "force".. the base runner messed up and left a base.. a "force" is when the base runner has to leave the base
Posted on 3/29/17 at 4:11 pm to The Mick
quote:
I understand what a force is. I thought he was saying force to mean the runner that left early had to return to first base. Doesn't matter. frick it.
Right.... but if it were a "force" then the run would not count.. "force" is a very specific term in baseball, this case just is not a "force".. but the runner will have to tag if he wants to avoid being out.
Posted on 3/29/17 at 4:15 pm to The Mick
Should have clarified. If the game was not over, the out would have occurred after the run scored.
Posted on 3/29/17 at 4:16 pm to yaherrdme
quote:HEY frickFACE, I UNDERSTAND WHAT A FORCE IS AND HOW IT WORKS.
Right.... but if it were a "force" then the run would not count.. "force" is a very specific term in baseball, this case just is not a "force".. but the runner will have to tag if he wants to avoid being out.
Posted on 3/29/17 at 4:17 pm to The Mick
easy!
Posted on 3/29/17 at 4:19 pm to 777Tiger
quote:My bad.
easy!
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