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re: Amazing QB controversy Really?
Posted on 2/4/23 at 12:22 am to RB10
Posted on 2/4/23 at 12:22 am to RB10
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I didn’t ignore anything, scooter. I was talking about him improving as a passer. You continuing to bring up his rushing has nothing to do with anything I was discussing.
Yes, well, when you said Bennett was more productive than Daniels you did not qualify it by saying AS A PASSER. If you agree that their overall production isn’t that dissimilar, then we’re good. If you don’t agree with that statement, then you are ignoring Daniels’ rushing contributions.
As to whether Daniels must become more productive solely as a passer, I don’t think there’s any evidence a team has to have a specific level of passing yards to compete. Bennett was a game manager in 2021. Hurts got Bama to the championship game before giving way to Tua passing for only 149 yards a game in 2017. Ohio St had 247 yards pass per game in 2014 and Alabama only 227 per game in 2015 (and 218 or less in 2009, 2011 and 2012). Cam Newton only passed for 204 per game on 2010.
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Posted on 2/4/23 at 8:08 am to MikeTheTiger71
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You do realize Daniels had a bum ankle, right? Also, in the two games he played one half against Georgia and took less than half the snaps in the bowl, so it was really less than the equivalent of one full game in which he racked up 350 yards and 2 TDs.
Ok man.
Posted on 2/4/23 at 8:54 am to LSUStar
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If this is true then the Heisman field is weak.
He was in the running this year from the Florida to Bama stretch. I think he got as high as 5th in odds to win. It isnt sun shine pumping to think his name at least makes the list going into the season. How many people in New York will be back this coming season?
Posted on 2/4/23 at 8:55 am to MikeTheTiger71
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As to whether Daniels must become more productive solely as a passer, I don’t think there’s any evidence a team has to have a specific level of passing yards to compete. Bennett was a game manager in 2021. Hurts got Bama to the championship game before giving way to Tua passing for only 149 yards a game in 2017. Ohio St had 247 yards pass per game in 2014 and Alabama only 227 per game in 2015 (and 218 or less in 2009, 2011 and 2012). Cam Newton only passed for 204 per game on 2010.
Jesus dude. You really don’t understand context, do you?
Each one of those teams had elite production from the running game OR threw for 3,800 yards and 30 TDs.
2021 UGA had 3,000 yards and 44 TDs from the RBs
2017 Bama had 2,700 yards and 30 TDs from the RBs.
2015 Bama had Derrick fricking Henry. 3,000 yards and 33 TDs from the RBs.
2014 OSU had 2,700 yards and 30 TDs, but threw for 3,800 and 30 TDs.
You think LSU gets that from the RBs? They had 1,500 yards and 28 TDs this year.
Cam Newton is a great comparison. He didn’t have elite running backs, but he ran for 1,400 and had 50 Total TDs. Threw for 30 TDs, more than Daniels had total. All we have to do is have Daniels match that. One of the most dominant seasons in CFB history. No big deal.
This post was edited on 2/4/23 at 9:03 am
Posted on 2/4/23 at 11:24 am to RB10
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Jesus dude. You really don’t understand context, do you? Each one of those teams had elite production from the running game OR threw for 3,800 yards and 30 TDs.
I fully understand the context. You know what else those teams had (apart from maybe 2010 Auburn)? They had much better defensive and special teams play than LSU had in 2022. You seem to be acknowledging here that there are other deficiencies in this team that have nothing to do with Daniels that have more to do with LSU’s ceiling next year than he does. That was my point all along. If your point is that LSU cannot fix those deficiencies and the only hope is for Daniels to elevate his game to an even higher level to raise LSU’s ceiling, then I can accept that argument. I just wouldn’t focus on Daniels as the problem, but rather the potential savior of the teams chances.
I just happen to think that improved defense and special teams and a more mature OL are the real keys to success next year. As you seem to acknowledge, the QB play is sufficient to challenge for the title with the right pieces in place around him.
Posted on 2/4/23 at 12:01 pm to SammyTiger
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he lead a huge comeback against Auburn
Mostly on the bench. He got hurt in the 2nd half. Also the first LSU TD was the result of a fumble recovery.
Now I'm one of the biggest JD fans on the Rant, but he did have a poor game v Auburn; defense and a strong rushing attack win this game for LSU.
Posted on 2/4/23 at 2:36 pm to MikeTheTiger71
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I just happen to think that improved defense and special teams and a more mature OL are the real keys to success next year. As you seem to acknowledge, the QB play is sufficient to challenge for the title with the right pieces in place around him.
Unless the play from the RBs improves significantly, Daniels’ play this season is not sufficient enough to win the SEC or make the playoffs. LSU does not have a strong enough running back room to have a QB who has fewer than 30 total TDs.
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I just wouldn’t focus on Daniels as the problem, but rather the potential savior of the teams chances.
Ah. I see what’s going on now. You’re confused. I have not once said Daniels is a problem.
What I’ve said is that for LSU to be a legitimate contender, he has to improve upon his 2022 performance. Which is the exact same thing you just said.
Glad we’ve straightened that out and you agree that Daniels is going to have to improve.
This post was edited on 2/4/23 at 2:45 pm
Posted on 2/4/23 at 2:42 pm to RB10
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We’re done here.
That’s not what I believe. It’s what you apparently think he needs to be. I think he is who is and that is good enough. He’s not going to carry this team if the defense and special teams don’t get better. What he contributed last year was as good as any QB in LSU history but Burrow. That’s good enough to contribute to a team that is championship caliber across the board. It’s not enough to carry a team to a title. Your arguments seem to suggest that’s what he needs to be rather than acknowledging that the biggest obstacles to a championship are other places on the roster. That’s all I’ve ever argued.
This post was edited on 2/4/23 at 2:54 pm
Posted on 2/4/23 at 2:46 pm to MikeTheTiger71
You think this roster is Championship caliber across the board?
Posted on 2/4/23 at 2:53 pm to RB10
Start Nuss and Just Win Baby!
Posted on 2/4/23 at 2:55 pm to RB10
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You think this roster is Championship caliber across the board?
I don’t know. Defense and special teams need to significantly improve. The OL needs to take the next step. Those are the barriers to a championship, not Daniels.
Posted on 2/4/23 at 2:57 pm to MikeTheTiger71
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I don’t know. Defense and special teams need to significantly improve. The OL needs to take the next step. Those are the barriers to a championship, not Daniels.
Ok man.
Posted on 2/4/23 at 3:35 pm to RB10
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Ok man.
So, let’s get this straight. You don’t think LSU has a championship caliber roster, but you’re going to blame Daniels anyway if they don’t win one? Makes perfect sense to me.
Posted on 2/4/23 at 3:38 pm to MikeTheTiger71
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So, let’s get this straight. You don’t think LSU has a championship caliber roster, but you’re going to blame Daniels anyway if they don’t win one? Makes perfect sense to me.
I haven’t said anything about blaming Daniels you fricking waterhead.
This is a thread about the QBs. I said for LSU to have a chance at winning a title, Daniels will need to improve, which is an accurate statement and in line with what’s being discussed in the thread.
Posted on 2/4/23 at 4:18 pm to RB10
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I haven’t said anything about blaming Daniels you fricking waterhead.
Then what exactly were you disagreeing with in the last post I had made before you made you last response? If you aren’t blaming Daniels, then you agree with the assessment that this isn’t a championship roster and the greatest barriers to achieving that lie elsewhere, which is what I said.
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I said for LSU to have a chance at winning a title, Daniels will need to improve, which is an accurate statement and in line with what’s being discussed in the thread.
It’s not an accurate statement if defense, special teams and the OL improve.
Posted on 2/4/23 at 4:23 pm to MikeTheTiger71
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Then what exactly were you disagreeing with in the last post I had made before you made you last response? If you aren’t blaming Daniels, then you agree with the assessment that this isn’t a championship roster and the greatest barriers to achieving that lie elsewhere, which is what I said.
I will disagree with anyone who says that Daniels doesn’t need to improve, which is the stance you’ve taken. It’s ignorant.
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It’s not an accurate statement if defense, special teams and the OL improve.
It absolutely is still accurate. You just don’t like it.
Posted on 2/4/23 at 4:40 pm to RB10
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I will disagree with anyone who says that Daniels doesn’t need to improve, which is the stance you’ve taken. It’s ignorant. It absolutely is still accurate. You just don’t like it.
If the rest of the team doesn’t improve, they aren’t winning a championship even if Daniels improves. The greatest needs for improvement lie elsewhere, not at QB. Your entire premise hangs on a belief that the rest of the team is not championship caliber. If they were, Daniels’ performance is sufficient to complement a well rounded title contender as shown by the QB numbers of plenty of champions over the last 10-15 years. You mocked me for saying it, but you are absolutely saying that Daniels has to improve to cover up the deficiencies in the rest of the roster.
Your assumption about my beliefs are flawed. If the rest of the team does not improve enough, then I agree Daniels will have to improve to make up for it. There is a good chance that turns out to be the case. In that scenario, the ceiling is still more on other parts of the team not QB. Daniels is closer to championship caliber than the defense and where the OL and RBs were in 2022. Finally, I don’t see better alternatives. Nuss isn’t the kind of QB that can carry a team either.
Posted on 2/4/23 at 6:09 pm to TrouserTrout
Daniels is here because he’s mobile
CBK saw our O line was a sieve and found us a serviceable QB who won’t get destroyed
That’s it
CBK saw our O line was a sieve and found us a serviceable QB who won’t get destroyed
That’s it
Posted on 2/4/23 at 7:05 pm to MikeTheTiger71
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Your assumption about my beliefs are flawed.
You don’t think Daniels needs to improve as a QB. Your opinion isn’t really relevant.
Posted on 2/4/23 at 7:48 pm to RB10
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You don’t think Daniels needs to improve as a QB. Your opinion isn’t really relevant.
You clearly didn’t read my post, so your opinion of me isn’t relevant either.
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