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Alleva's method of hiring
Posted on 4/12/12 at 9:45 am
Posted on 4/12/12 at 9:45 am
It seems to me like Alleva's problem with hiring coaches is that he makes up his mind before he even speaks to the candidate, and the candidate is usually a long shot.
Case 1: Pat Murphy. Alleva shot for the moom and spent the whole time selling LSU to Murphy. Murphy didn't really want the job so he reveres field and the situation was embarrassing.
Case 2: Trent Johnson. Again Alleva picks someone out of nowhere and convinces them to come to LSU. That person had no passion for this state or university. Epic fail.
Case 3: Nikki Caldwell. It worked this time. Alleva is 1 for 3.
My observation is that Alleva should determine if the candidate is coming to LSU with a passion for the job before he decides that candidate is the right person for the job.
Case 1: Pat Murphy. Alleva shot for the moom and spent the whole time selling LSU to Murphy. Murphy didn't really want the job so he reveres field and the situation was embarrassing.
Case 2: Trent Johnson. Again Alleva picks someone out of nowhere and convinces them to come to LSU. That person had no passion for this state or university. Epic fail.
Case 3: Nikki Caldwell. It worked this time. Alleva is 1 for 3.
My observation is that Alleva should determine if the candidate is coming to LSU with a passion for the job before he decides that candidate is the right person for the job.
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Posted on 4/12/12 at 9:52 am to northlatigazz
I think that Alleva is attempting to go after the best candidate with LA ties that he can. Let's not forget this isn't a big state, so the numbers aren't likely to be large relative to other states.
Pat Murphy was a big name coach. Does that not meet your expectations regardless of the connections? Facilities, program, athletes, cash. That's the sell and if connections exist you leverage that.
Pat Murphy was a big name coach. Does that not meet your expectations regardless of the connections? Facilities, program, athletes, cash. That's the sell and if connections exist you leverage that.
Posted on 4/12/12 at 9:52 am to northlatigazz
All three were good hires when they were made. Plus, Torina has appeared, so far, to be a very good hire.
Posted on 4/12/12 at 9:54 am to northlatigazz
Now we're dragging someone down for shooting for the moon???
STEP BACK MY BROTHER, CHECK YO-SELF!!!!
ARE YOU KIDDING ME?
You're accusing Joe Alleva of trying to sell the best people on LSU?
Say what?
SAY IT'S SO JOE! I'm not sure this guy's got it right. But if it is, keep on truckin, mothef----
JJ, is that you?
Let's put an end to all this "passion for the state" nonsense.
Good coaches coach.
Did Skipe Bertman have a passion for Louisiana. No. He knew baseball. That's what we need from every coach.
Now how about getting Petrino to break down some film for us.
This post was edited on 4/12/12 at 9:56 am
Posted on 4/12/12 at 9:56 am to northlatigazz
Lots of people were praising him for the Trent Johnson hire. It didnt work out, but it wasnt a gaff at the time by any means.
Posted on 4/12/12 at 9:58 am to willeteal
willeteal bringin' the heat...
Posted on 4/12/12 at 9:59 am to ParkSlopeTiger
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Pat Murphy was a big name coach. Does that not meet your expectations regardless of the connections?
Don't get me wrong, I want high expectations. But, I am a big believer that many coaches fail because of the situation, not their ability.
I would compare it to the NFL. Jason David was a great corner in the Colts system. He was terrible for the Saints. Pitino has been a great college coach, not so successful in the NBA. So, yes I want high expectations, but there is an intangible that must fit the job.
Posted on 4/12/12 at 10:02 am to ParkSlopeTiger
And Case 3 could bolt the minute Summit retires
Posted on 4/12/12 at 10:02 am to The Mick
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Lots of people were praising him for the Trent Johnson hire.
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Posted on 4/12/12 at 10:07 am to northlatigazz
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Case 3: Nikki Caldwell. It worked this time. Alleva is 1 for 3.
are we sure? she's still on probation, even Trent did well his 1st year.
Posted on 4/12/12 at 10:07 am to northlatigazz
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Case 1: Pat Murphy. Alleva shot for the moom and spent the whole time selling LSU to Murphy. Murphy didn't really want the job so he reveres field and the situation was embarrassing.
I don't think it was all that embarrassing...
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Case 2: Trent Johnson. Again Alleva picks someone out of nowhere and convinces them to come to LSU. That person had no passion for this state or university. Epic fail.
Out of nowhere? Johnson was one of the most sought after coaches in the NCAA at that time! Not Alleva's fault that it didn't work out.
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Case 3: Nikki Caldwell. It worked this time. Alleva is 1 for 3.
Um, he did also hire Maineri - does he not get credit for that? That has worked our pretty well, no matter what the uber-negatigers say.
(before you respond without reading...yes, I now know Alleva did not hire Maineri)
This post was edited on 4/12/12 at 10:28 am
Posted on 4/12/12 at 10:07 am to crankbait
So you are saying he should hire Jonny Jones (Louisiana guy) and not at the least talk to a nationally perceived better coach.
Posted on 4/12/12 at 10:07 am to crankbait
If Alleva can hire JJ for less than what we paid TJ, thats a homerun right there. If not anything else, JJ can definitely maintain the status quo for LSU basketball, a finish in the middle of SEC and an occasional postseason run. Not to mention there is money in the lSU coffers for other useful things.
Posted on 4/12/12 at 10:11 am to mtram1500
I said he should gauge the interest of the person he is hiring before making up his mind. That was the point.
My mistake for leaving out Mainieri. Alleva is definitely 2 for 4.
My mistake for leaving out Mainieri. Alleva is definitely 2 for 4.
Posted on 4/12/12 at 10:11 am to lsu4life77
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a finish in the middle of SEC and an occasional postseason run.
You do realize that Alleva and the coach would be fired for this outcome. We are not UL Lafayette why would we settle for that.
Posted on 4/12/12 at 10:13 am to northlatigazz
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Case 1: Pat Murphy. Alleva shot for the moom and spent the whole time selling LSU to Murphy. Murphy didn't really want the job so he reveres field and the situation was embarrassing.
So I see it's still never Murphy's fault that he bolted at the last minute around here.
Posted on 4/12/12 at 10:17 am to northlatigazz
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I said he should gauge the interest of the person he is hiring before making up his mind. That was the point.
Yes, but you do not know what is in Alleva's mind, so...
Posted on 4/12/12 at 10:17 am to RummelTiger
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Um, he did also hire Maineri - does he not get credit for that? That has worked our pretty well, no matter what the uber-negatigers say.
Alleva didn't hire Mainieri. Mainieri came the year before Alleva got here. Alleva's first hire was Trent Johnson.
Posted on 4/12/12 at 10:17 am to mtram1500
didnt we just see 4 years of TJ, and no one got fired, so why would that change suddenly?
Posted on 4/12/12 at 10:20 am to Joe Joe Joe
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Alleva didn't hire Mainieri. Mainieri came the year before Alleva got here. Alleva's first hire was Trent Johnson.
So then the OP's Pat Murphy reference is blown out of the water as well, correct?
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