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Posted on 10/22/15 at 1:46 pm to Tigerinthehollow
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I get so amused when I see this. He was trying to win the damn game. He had a lead and a great OL and all-time great RB. I don't see the problem in that he thought he could take this safer approach and be successful. If you recall, as well, there were some execution issues on 2nd down that hurt us badly...or his plan may have worked...not to mention he did throw it a few times unsuccessfully.
I understand you guys like the Baylor approach though.
I just love this flawed logic.
We're only arguing for aggressive play-calling to utilize all of our weapons. Nobody's advocating a "Baylor approach." Classic over exaggeration.
And you do realize that twice this year (MSU and Florida) an overmatched opponent had a chance to win or tie the game on the last play.
You may say "but we won, so Les' strategy works." I'd say that Les' conservative second half approach let's opponents linger, and they never should even have a chance to win at the end, so the strategy is flawed and will ultimately cost us a game.
But I know I'll never convince you.
Posted on 10/22/15 at 1:55 pm to LouisianaLonghorn
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The Les Miles from the 2nd quarter was fantastic. The Miles from the 3rd quarter was excruciating.
The second quarter had a flea flicker and one deep pass with under 20 seconds left after runs got LSU into striking distance. Other than those two aggressive plays, the main differences between the first and second half offensively was that in the first half drive-extending passes were completed and in the second half they weren't.
LSU picked up exactly one first down following an incomplete pass in a drive against UF (a first down pass that was incomplete to Dural in LSU's second scoring drive).
Each of the other 5 incompletions resulted in stalled drives (though one of those led to the fake FG so still resulted in points).
Posted on 10/22/15 at 1:55 pm to jose canseco
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Yeah, bc Miles never rolls the dice
I haven't thought of Miles as a dice roller since 2010 at the latest. That era was probably officially dead at the end of the 1st half of the Bama game in 2011 when he opted for the FG on 4th and goal instead of going for it.
Posted on 10/22/15 at 1:57 pm to atltiger6487
According to comments from the coaching staff, they went into the game wanting to limit FL's opportunities to get turnovers on their side of the field as this was seen as the key to them having won a couple of games that they were not expected to. Deep in our territory, they played it safe and opened it up as the offense moved down the field. In the second half, there were not many opportunities to do so, as drives stalled due to penalties, drops, etc. They did not abandon the pass, just played it safe in enemy territory.
Apparently, they stuck to the gameplan they had going in and had no reason to deviate.
Apparently, they stuck to the gameplan they had going in and had no reason to deviate.
Posted on 10/22/15 at 2:00 pm to luvdoc
I've never seen a first post so upvoted and the next post by the same person so downvoted.
Posted on 10/22/15 at 2:05 pm to LouisianaLonghorn
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The Les Miles from the 2nd quarter was fantastic. The Miles from the 3rd quarter was excruciating.
Couldn't agree more and this is the basis of a lot of criticism of Miles. I want the old Lesticles to come back and stay back.
Posted on 10/22/15 at 2:12 pm to Dock Holiday
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but I'm not sure what happened in the 3rd was because LSU "went conservative".
Really the passes weren't being completed in the third so they turned back to what has been working.
Florida has a good defense. They did their part.
Posted on 10/22/15 at 2:25 pm to LouisianaLonghorn
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wever, what was like him was to abandon said aggressive plays in favor of a very conservative offensive approach in the 3rd quarter.
We didn't abandon the aggressiveness. Our players stopped executing. That's not the coaches fault. Also, LF has made several huge plays after haltime,that's why you see Miles give the ball to LF after halftime. Not because the game plan changed.
Posted on 10/22/15 at 2:42 pm to Rickdaddy4188
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We didn't abandon the aggressiveness. Our players stopped executing. That's not the coaches fault.
If it looks like a duck........
Posted on 10/22/15 at 2:42 pm to RedTigerRulz
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Couldn't agree more and this is the basis of a lot of criticism of Miles
Our wrs stopped getting separation in the 3rd quarter. As a coach you don't throw the ball just to throw the ball.the reason our offense is one of the most productive offenses in cfb is because of the I formation run game and our ability to score from anywhere on the field with a run play.
Posted on 10/22/15 at 2:48 pm to RedTigerRulz
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I want the old Lesticles to come back and stay back
Miles hadn't changed. He has always and continues too play to his team's strength. When we had experienced qbs,he threw the ball (JRuss,Flynn,Mett). When we have the best rb in cfb and beat run blocking oline, he runs the ball.
Posted on 10/22/15 at 2:50 pm to RedTigerRulz
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it looks like a duck
Play calling wasn't a huge change. We just converted in the first half and didn't in the second half.
Posted on 10/22/15 at 3:02 pm to Tigerinthehollow
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I get so amused when I see this. He was trying to win the damn game. He had a lead and a great OL and all-time great RB. I don't see the problem in that he thought he could take this safer approach and be successful. If you recall, as well, there were some execution issues on 2nd down that hurt us badly...or his plan may have worked...not to mention he did throw it a few times unsuccessfully.
I understand you guys like the Baylor approach though.
no one wants the crappy spread offense. point is we didn't throw on 1st or 2d down in the 3rd quarter. 1st drive got screwed up with the holding call. didn't mind playing fairly safe.
next 2 possessions looked the same. successful 1st down run because defense was watching for pass or run. 2d and short we'd run and they were sold out on the run, guessing what miles would do. we lost yardage. then we didn't convert.
aggressive would've been to throw on 1st or 2d. that's all we're saying.
Posted on 10/22/15 at 3:11 pm to luvdoc
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with under a minute to half, with a lead, from his own territory, to run aggressive extra plays, rather than run it up the middle and end the half. Very nice to see.
What? On the final drive of the half Miles called TO and then followed it up with an "aggressive" middle screen that gained 4 yards. He called TO again before a 3rd and 9 at midfield. The play after that was Harris just throwing up a deep pass in Dupree's direction that ultimately resulted in a TD. Now it was a good individual effort by Dupree and Harris, but let's not act like LSU designed the play to go that way.
Before all of that happened, LSU got the ball at their 25 yard line with 1:27 to go and two TO's. The next 3 plays were all runs with Fournette that gained a total of 16 yards and ran 52 seconds off the clock before LSU called a TO
That whole drive was conservative. The only difference is that Harris connected on a busted play for a TD. Going into that play LSU was facing 3rd and 9 at the 50 with 27 seconds left and no TOs remaining. Prior to that, LSU had burned a 1:00 and two TOs with conservative playcalling to get 25 total yards.
Regardless, the TD counts and I'm glad it happened. But let's not act like LSU went into some type two-minute offense when they got the ball at their 25 to start the drive.
This post was edited on 10/22/15 at 3:26 pm
Posted on 10/22/15 at 3:47 pm to stephendomalley
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aggressive would've been to throw on 1st or 2d. that's all we're saying.
LSU's passing on 1st and 2nd down-
1st Half:
1st and 10 at LSU 12
(2:14 - 1st) Brandon Harris pass complete to Dillon Gordon for 8 yds to the LSU 20
2nd and 6 at LSU 34
(0:45 - 1st) Brandon Harris pass complete to Travin Dural for 14 yds to the LSU 48 for a 1ST down
1st and 10 at FLA 33
(14:56 - 2nd) Brandon Harris pass incomplete to Travin Dural
1st and 10 at LSU 33
(10:03 - 2nd) Brandon Harris pass complete to Travin Dural for 3 yds to the LSU 36
1st and 10 at LSU 42
(2:55 - 2nd) Brandon Harris pass complete to Malachi Dupre for 52 yds to the Fla 6 for a 1ST down (Flea Flicker)
2nd and 13 at LSU 46
(0:27 - 2nd) Brandon Harris pass complete to Malachi Dupre for 4 yds to the 50 yard line
2nd half:
2nd and 7 at LSU 28
(7:13 - 3rd) Brandon Harris pass incomplete to Travin Dural
2nd and 8 at FLA 11
(11:27 - 4th) Brandon Harris pass incomplete to Malachi Dupre
So LSU completed 5 of its 6 first or second down passes in the first half, and only 3 of those were "good" (the others left unfavorable down/distance).
Of those three one, went to the blocking TE and the other was a flea-flicker. So really, LSU only had one significant non-trick pass to a WR in the first half on first or second down.
In the second half, both were incomplete and in both cases the drives stalled (though one was followed by the fake punt on 4th down so still resulted in a scoring drive).
As best as I can tell, the only difference between conservative offense and an aggressive offense is that an "aggressive" LSU drives result in TDs and "conservative" LSU drives end in punts.
Posted on 10/22/15 at 4:04 pm to stephendomalley
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point is we didn't throw on 1st or 2d down in the 3rd quarter.
LF'S biggest runs of the year have come in the 3rd quarter.
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aggressive would've been to throw on 1st or 2d. that's all we're saying.
It's not called be aggressive. It's called being a bad coach. You posters act like lsu isn't one of the most productive offenses in cfb. WE ARE. The running game has made us one of the best offenses in cfb, not the pass.some of you just can't stand or comprehend that we are successful running the ball not throwing the ball. We have a top 15 offense right now and you people want us to go away from what has made us a top 15 offense.
This post was edited on 10/22/15 at 4:05 pm
Posted on 10/22/15 at 4:12 pm to Rickdaddy4188
The return of lesticles
Posted on 10/22/15 at 4:45 pm to BayouBengals03
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I've never seen a first post so upvoted and the next post by the same person so downvoted
Schizophrenic :jump1: :jump2:
Posted on 10/22/15 at 4:48 pm to luvdoc
Miles is getting better and better as a "clock" manager. He also realizes that he has a special team this season and wants to take advantage of every possible opportunity. Good for him. Glad to see he has grown as a coach from the debacle in 2011. I still haven't forgiven him for that. However, another natty and we'll call it even! GEAUX MILES and GEAUX LSU!
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