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After re-watching the game here is whats wrong with the O-Line

Posted on 9/25/17 at 12:45 am
Posted by nicksaur3
Madisonville, Tennessee
Member since Aug 2015
1261 posts
Posted on 9/25/17 at 12:45 am
The two freshmen Ingram and Charles are completely lost. They simply are not ready to play SEC football. Both at times are helping double team the Defensive end leaving the linebacker an open gap to the QB, and Syracuse did this all night long. Ingram really struggles picking up blitz's and gives up free shots on the QB, but is very good with blocking 1v1. When Charles came in the O-line as a whole played better because they picked up blitz's better, but Charles kept whiffing on his blocks.

The two tackles need to stop going in motion. Every time Weathersby goes to the left side he gets beat to the outside because he is just not quick enough to that side.

Summary: These freshmen are really killing the O-Line as a whole and until Ingram learn blitz's and Charles learns to block his man this team will really struggle. The entire teams performance week in and week out will directly result what these two freshmen do.
Posted by la_birdman
Lake Charles
Member since Feb 2005
31001 posts
Posted on 9/25/17 at 12:49 am to
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whats wrong with the O-Line


Grimes
Posted by semjase
New Smyrna Beach FL
Member since May 2014
10877 posts
Posted on 9/25/17 at 1:00 am to
Sun Belt-SWAC level talent combined with the clown that coaches and recruited them to LSU = What you see is what you get and the current situation at LSU.

I'm sure O knows this and is just waiting for Mawae to complete his coaching apprenticeship with the Bears before brining him in. 2018............
Posted by smash williams
San Diego
Member since Apr 2009
19744 posts
Posted on 9/25/17 at 1:08 am to
Yeah those guys shouldn't even be counted on right now, Maea Tuehema should be the starting RG with Campbell as the backup.
Posted by rjokerlsu
Big Spring, TX
Member since Apr 2007
6887 posts
Posted on 9/25/17 at 1:18 am to
I agree that Grimes is what's wrong with the O-Line.

He needs to really work on the struggles that Charles and Ingram have, some cited above.

In addition, I am wondering just how good he is at evaluating talent and deciding which line recruits to pursue.

A personnel change here should be seriously considered.
Posted by mdomingue
Lafayette, LA
Member since Nov 2010
30005 posts
Posted on 9/25/17 at 7:10 am to
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whats wrong with the O-Line



Transfers since the end of 2016

OL Chidi Okeke
OL Andy Dodd
OL Willie Allen
OL Maea Teuhema
OL Seth Stewart

Transfers after 2015

OL Jevonte Domond
OL George Brown

Some want to blame Grimes. I am not convinced. I’m sure people were in the ears of these guys lamenting the fiasco surrounding the firing of Miles and the hiring of O. Also with recruiting wiffs, I’m sure they’re getting an earful of “do you really want to get stuck in that mess at LSU” from recruiting coordinators.

Posted by ellesssuuu
Baton Rouge
Member since Mar 2016
2771 posts
Posted on 9/25/17 at 7:58 am to
Agreed and I thought Magee played better
Posted by lsusteve1
Member since Dec 2004
41861 posts
Posted on 9/25/17 at 8:15 am to
Then stop with play-action and stay in shotgun
Posted by Maniac979
The Great State of Texas
Member since Jan 2012
1904 posts
Posted on 9/25/17 at 8:21 am to
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waiting for Mawae to ccomplete his coaching apprenticeship with the Bears before brining him in.

Duh...He's not coaching for the Bears. Try to keep up.
Posted by AlwysATgr
Member since Apr 2008
16383 posts
Posted on 9/25/17 at 8:38 am to
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nicksaur3



You probably picked up on the bigger problem but if you watch the 'every pass' compilation our LT looked really bad on multiple plays. Hard to watch that.
Posted by LMfan
Member since Aug 2014
5145 posts
Posted on 9/25/17 at 8:40 am to
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Sun Belt-SWAC level talent


holy hyperbole Batman
Posted by Bert Macklin FBI
Quantico
Member since May 2013
8898 posts
Posted on 9/25/17 at 8:42 am to
I definitely agree about the motioning lineman. It needs to stop. Every time they motion a tackle there is a missed assignment.
Posted by Ace Midnight
Between sanity and madness
Member since Dec 2006
89483 posts
Posted on 9/25/17 at 8:47 am to
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Both at times are helping double team the Defensive end leaving the linebacker an open gap to the QB, and Syracuse did this all night long.


Todd McClure explained that they're getting picked - the end is doing this deliberately because they're playing too far forward and aggressively in pass blocking. They need to ride back to the pocket line and block as a unit. This is common, in my opinion, for young guards who usually master run blocking assignments first. Pass blocking, depending on the play call is essentially a unit assignment. The tackle will often times have an individual assignment, but either the guard is blocking a lane with the tackle or the guard is blocking the middle with the center (and other guard) - all depending on the alignment and number of blitzers identified.

This was supposed to be the big benefit of having Clapp at C - he is supposed to be running the line calls. At this point, I'd rather try Cush out there at C with Clapp at guard until the young guards get the hang of pass protection.

Just my $0.02.
Posted by DirtyMikeandtheBoys
Member since May 2011
19419 posts
Posted on 9/25/17 at 8:50 am to
I agree with everything you said.

If we had better protection we would be in a much better situation as a team.
Posted by Sid in Lakeshore
Member since Oct 2008
41956 posts
Posted on 9/25/17 at 9:27 am to
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At this point, I'd rather try Cush out there at C with Clapp at guard until the young guards get the hang of pass protection.


interesting....
Posted by Delmore1951
Homer La
Member since Aug 2017
908 posts
Posted on 9/25/17 at 9:50 am to
Cushionberry needs to go to center move clapp to guard. Put Delphis to Rt
Posted by 7Tiger7
Down South
Member since Jul 2015
3291 posts
Posted on 9/25/17 at 10:03 am to
That's actually a pretty darn good idea. Try Cush at C and move Clapp out to G. If it doesnt work out, just move Clapp back. If it does work, we now have a functional oline.... low risk, VERY HIGH reward.
Posted by Madking
Member since Apr 2016
47648 posts
Posted on 9/25/17 at 10:04 am to
What's sad is we're even getting pressure in the quick game. We almost have to use play action to freeze the defense because we can't block them. They essentially have to block themselves by us maybe tricking them into at least thinking about the run for a split second.
Posted by Ace Midnight
Between sanity and madness
Member since Dec 2006
89483 posts
Posted on 9/25/17 at 10:06 am to
quote:

If it does work, we now have a functional oline


Well - let's not go crazy. The tackles haven't been all-conference performers, either.

But, if we can shore up the middle of the line on pass protection, I think we've got something to build on. And I do think that the young guards are going to be great - better than great, but they're just not there yet.
Posted by 7Tiger7
Down South
Member since Jul 2015
3291 posts
Posted on 9/25/17 at 10:11 am to
Agree. I read an article by Ross Dellenger where QBs were pressured on 14 of 25 drop backs.... YIKES
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