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Advocate article on the 4th and 1 that cost Orgeron his job at Ole Miss
Posted on 9/12/17 at 11:21 am
Posted on 9/12/17 at 11:21 am
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Leading the rival Bulldogs 14-0 in the season-ending Egg Bowl, Orgeron’s Rebels team faced fourth-and-1 at the 49-yard line with just 10 minutes left in the game. The attempt – a run – was stuffed.
State roared back to score 17 unanswered points and win.
“I should have punted the ball. It was an emotional decision,” Orgeron said Monday during his weekly news conference. “That's why I have mentors nowadays, especially when I get emotional and I ask them what do you think. I ask Matt (Canada) what do you think. I ask Pete (Jenkins) what do you think. I ask Dave (Aranda) what do you think. So those are the things I've grown in that area.”
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In an interview last year, Pete Boone, then the Ole Miss athletic director who hired Orgeron, said that university leaders entered that game planning to give the coach and his staff another season.
"We still may all be there if we converted," said John Thompson, the defensive coordinator on that Ole Miss team.
For then-State coach Sylvester Croom, the failed fourth-down attempt was a lifeline to a seventh victory. Asked about Orgeron’s decision after the game, Croom told a columnist at The Clarion-Ledger, “I thought Christmas had come early.”
Orgeron brings a much different team into Starkville than his 2007 Rebels. The Tigers have already won nearly as many games this season (2) as that Ole Miss team won overall (3).
They’re a touchdown favorite over the Bulldogs. The Rebels were a 4½-point underdog.
So what happens Saturday night if LSU is leading big in the fourth quarter with a similar decision in a similar spot in the same stadium?
“I'm punting,” Orgeron said. “I want to keep this job.”
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Posted on 9/12/17 at 11:26 am to sicboy
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the 4th and 1 that cost Orgeron his job at Ole Miss
His SEC record there in the previous years probably didn't help much either.
Posted on 9/12/17 at 11:28 am to sicboy
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In an interview last year, Pete Boone, then the Ole Miss athletic director who hired Orgeron, said that university leaders entered that game planning to give the coach and his staff another season.
Lol.
Posted on 9/12/17 at 11:29 am to sicboy
this seems like an article written by the Onion
Posted on 9/12/17 at 11:29 am to Mo Jeaux
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His SEC record there in the previous years probably didn't help much either.
So in case anyone hasn't heard yet, Orgeron had a bad record at Ole Miss.
Posted on 9/12/17 at 11:35 am to sicboy
It wasn't just bad, it was historically bad.
Posted on 9/12/17 at 11:37 am to sicboy
Why in the hell would the advocate publish an article like this at time of the season?
Posted on 9/12/17 at 11:39 am to sec13rowBBseat28
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Why in the hell would the advocate publish an article like this at time of the season?
It's his first time back to the scene of the crime as a head coach. Historical context.
Pay attention.
Posted on 9/12/17 at 12:16 pm to sicboy
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Croom told a columnist at The Clarion-Ledger, “I thought Christmas had come early.”
So you're scoreless for 50 minutes of a game, and stop Ole Miss at the 50 on fourth down. And after that, you think "HA! The fools! Got 'em right where we want 'em now!"
Croom was one of the worst coaches in SEC history. This shite is hilarious.
Posted on 9/12/17 at 12:21 pm to sicboy
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I should have punted the ball. It was an emotional decision,” Orgeron said Monday during his weekly news conference. “That's why I have mentors nowadays, especially when I get emotional and I ask them what do you think. I ask Matt (Canada) what do you think. I ask Pete (Jenkins) what do you think. I ask Dave (Aranda) what do you think. So those are the things I've grown in that area.”
Orgeron will flourish if his offensive and defensive coordinators are elite, but those guys tend to move on pretty quickly, so we'll see where it goes from there.
Posted on 9/12/17 at 12:25 pm to slackster
I'm so torn with Orgeron. Really want him to do well, but I absolutely don't want Aranda to leave, and if that means making him HC.........what do you do? 
I like Canada and I think he'll do well, but I feel any competent OC would succeed here with the talent LSU brings in.
I like Canada and I think he'll do well, but I feel any competent OC would succeed here with the talent LSU brings in.
Posted on 9/12/17 at 12:26 pm to slackster
I would imagine most coaches will get input from coordinators about big decisions.
Posted on 9/12/17 at 12:32 pm to slackster
Great coordinators also like to work under guys who let them utilize their skills. It's a two way street.
Posted on 9/12/17 at 12:38 pm to TexasTiger08
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Great coordinators also like to work under guys who let them utilize their skills. It's a two way street.
Sure, my comment is based on my belief Orgeron would struggle to fill in for either Canada or Aranda. FWIW, I felt the same about Miles.
Posted on 9/12/17 at 12:49 pm to sicboy
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Advocate article on the 4th and 1 that cost Orgeron his job at Ole Miss
You really think ONE single play cost him that job? and not the 24 losses prior to that?
Posted on 9/12/17 at 12:54 pm to SportTiger1
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You really think ONE single play cost him that job? and not the 24 losses prior to that?
OP is just posting the title of the article.
In any event, it's just results-based thinking. That one play didn't make them give up 17 unanswered points. They could just as easily have given up those points anyway.
Posted on 9/12/17 at 12:56 pm to sicboy
uh, I suspect it was the 3-21 SEC record that did him in.
Posted on 9/12/17 at 12:56 pm to SportTiger1
Well the AD was on record saying they were going into that game with the idea that O was going to get another year. That play was the turning point of that game.
I mean, I knew this thread would be fodder for the "Ole Miss record" crowd, so whatever.
I mean, I knew this thread would be fodder for the "Ole Miss record" crowd, so whatever.
Posted on 9/12/17 at 12:58 pm to sicboy
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That one play didn't make them give up 17 unanswered points
Posted on 9/12/17 at 1:01 pm to sicboy
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I mean, I knew this thread would be fodder for the "Ole Miss record" crowd, so whatever.
How could it not be? Look at your thread title. And ADs are adept at politics. The loss simply gave him cover to do what he wanted to do based on past performance.
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