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re: A little Synopsis of how fan bases react to the possibility of a downturn
Posted on 1/9/15 at 7:05 am to tigerfan5803
Posted on 1/9/15 at 7:05 am to tigerfan5803
Les Miles Passing Offense Rank as a head Coach
2014 - 114th
2013 - 45th
2012 - 92nd
2011 - 106th
2010 - 107th
2009 - 97th
2008 - 71st
2007 - 58th
2006 - 18th
2005 - 55th
2004 - 111th
2003 - 79th
2002 - 25th
2001 - 66th
It is what it is people. Les does a lot of good things, but no one (who has a pulse) would claim he is a good offensive coach. He has more seasons outside the top 100 than inside the top 50
2014 - 114th
2013 - 45th
2012 - 92nd
2011 - 106th
2010 - 107th
2009 - 97th
2008 - 71st
2007 - 58th
2006 - 18th
2005 - 55th
2004 - 111th
2003 - 79th
2002 - 25th
2001 - 66th
It is what it is people. Les does a lot of good things, but no one (who has a pulse) would claim he is a good offensive coach. He has more seasons outside the top 100 than inside the top 50
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Posted on 1/9/15 at 7:23 am to TigerBlood17
That stat doesn't come close to painting the whole picture of our offense. Besides this year and 2010, our passing hasn't been bad. We don't ask our QBs to throw 300 yards per game, so we will never have high rankings in yards per game. The much more important stats to look at are scoring and passing efficiency. Judging Les's offenses based solely on passing yard rankings is about as intellectually dishonest as judging Oregon's offense based solely off time of possession.
Posted on 1/9/15 at 7:27 am to TigerBlood17
quote:Damn. I mean...........DAMN.
He has more seasons outside the top 100 than inside the top 50
Stuff like that is why I wonder how in the frick this man EVER gets a half decent QB to come play for him anymore?
"Good afternoon HS stud, come play for me and there's a 1 in 5 chance you'll play for an offense that finishes in the top 50 passing!!!!"
shite. If I were a HS QB, the only way Miles would get me is if he kidnapped my family and held them for ransom. Even the, I might just have to find a new family.
Posted on 1/9/15 at 7:49 am to ShortyRob
Your bashing of Miles tells us all we need to know about you.
Wanting a coaching change is one thing , calling him names in every thread like he stole your wife is another.
In your head you probably think you are a rebel standing up for LSU.
In reality you're are just a huge douche and probably should have been banned .
That helps LSU in No way.
Wanting a coaching change is one thing , calling him names in every thread like he stole your wife is another.
In your head you probably think you are a rebel standing up for LSU.
In reality you're are just a huge douche and probably should have been banned .
That helps LSU in No way.
Posted on 1/9/15 at 8:08 am to Cadello
quote:That I'm not a fan of his? Wow. Earth shattering observation there.
Your bashing of Miles tells us all we need to know about you.
quote:This is false.
alling him names in every thread l
quote:In my head, I'm just a guy who follows LSU football and doesn't think much of the coach and talks about it on a message board. This is not a terribly unusual circumstance for fans of sports.
In your head you probably think you are a rebel standing up for LSU.
Should I say that "in your head, you probably think you're a rebel, standing up for LSU/Miles"?
Apparently, you think you're some big "help" to LSU. Let me help you out with that delusion. Nope. You're just a guy who follows LSU football and talks about it on a message board........
Posted on 1/9/15 at 8:09 am to TigerBlood17
Passing is not the only part of the offence. Do you think it is why we recruite the stable 4 and 5 star running backs. This offence will be run heavy. Until 8 and 5 or below is the norm. That's what it will be. Last season 2 1000 yard receivers.
Posted on 1/9/15 at 8:11 am to ShortyRob
quote:
Well, actually, while everyone in here knows I'm no Miles fan, I happen to think that it's still fair to say we are probably only in the Step 2 stage of what I listed.
I think it still can be debated but I would say somewhere between 2 & 3. I will add this I do think at this point it is still very fixable. All it will take is good QB play for a couple of season to reverse the trend. Not saying this is going to happen just saying that's what would fix it. LSU is pretty much set everywhere else.
This post was edited on 1/9/15 at 8:12 am
Posted on 1/9/15 at 8:14 am to ShortyRob
No
Posted on 1/9/15 at 8:17 am to jumpup123
quote:Well of course not.
Passing is not the only part of the offence.
And, I would call it just as pathetic if the passing rankings for him that were listed a few posts above were instead, his running rankings.
You can't be a buffoon in either category.
Posted on 1/9/15 at 8:20 am to Ponchy Tiger
quote:
I will add this I do think at this point it is still very fixable. All it will take is good QB play for a couple of season to reverse the trend.
Yep. Trends can be broken. If, somehow, Harris blows up for three years and Miles gets out of the offense's way, then we could well reverse.
But, it's also fair to say that coaches who change their coaching DNA are less common than those who don't.
In any case, you are correct. Given how good our defenses typically are and the fact that despite everything, Miles DOES seem to know how to get a running game going, if he can take the lid off the passing game, the trend could be reversed.
It's not set in stone. I'm merely not optimistic that he can or even wants to change.
Posted on 1/9/15 at 9:10 am to ShortyRob
Dude look at my post at the top of this page. You can't look at passing yards without context to try to judge our offense.
Posted on 1/9/15 at 9:21 am to tigerfan5803
Shorty Rob LSU, people don't know what it is like living up here & wearing our colors every day. We want LSU to be better than anyone of the La. fatefull. There so many pumpers on this rant, they would still love Les if he lost 7 games every year. U better get used to it! 
This post was edited on 1/9/15 at 9:23 am
Posted on 1/9/15 at 9:23 am to LNCHBOX
quote:To be fair, I looked up Saint Saban's passing rankings for all of his years coaching at LSU and Bama.
Dude look at my post at the top of this page. You can't look at passing yards without context to try to judge our offense.
They're better and less cyclical, but not dramatically better.
I really think the fundamental problem is that there really is no excuse for COMPLETE ineptitude in the passing game at a school like LSU, Bama, UF, UGA etc etc. When it happens, it's bad. Just ask Muschamp.
Posted on 1/9/15 at 9:26 am to ShortyRob
Most years we aren't completely inept. 2010 and 2014 are really the only years you can say that.
And ha Saban not gotten away from running, they likely have another game this season instead of losing shoot out to OSU.
ETA: The issue is you, dudebro2, et all post passing yard stats to say we are always inept, but you can't do that. It's not our offensive philosophy to rack up passing yards, so we will never rank highly in that. But if y'all want to keep harping on it, go ahead.
And ha Saban not gotten away from running, they likely have another game this season instead of losing shoot out to OSU.
ETA: The issue is you, dudebro2, et all post passing yard stats to say we are always inept, but you can't do that. It's not our offensive philosophy to rack up passing yards, so we will never rank highly in that. But if y'all want to keep harping on it, go ahead.
This post was edited on 1/9/15 at 9:29 am
Posted on 1/9/15 at 9:29 am to LNCHBOX
quote:I agree.
And ha Saban not gotten away from running, they likely have another game this season instead of losing shoot out to OSU.
Then again, I'm one of the few in here that are unhappy with Miles but NOT begging for us to try and become Oregon or OSU.
It's funny because I fully predict that Harbaugh is going to do at UM what he did at Stanford only with better players. And, all those quick small defenses built to deal with the likes of OSU are going to be none to happy about it!!
Posted on 1/9/15 at 9:30 am to cajunjj
Who has said they are happy with 5 losses besides te people that hope it gets Les fired? Can you link to anyone saying the results this year are acceptable?
Posted on 1/9/15 at 9:30 am to TigerCliff777
quote:
just start watching basketball
we are 11-2
11-3 now. The decline is spreading to basketball.
Posted on 1/9/15 at 9:48 am to tigerfan5803
quote:
I LITERALLY just conceded his point...but yea, us pumpers are all too dumb to listen to valid points
Ok, but believe me when I say this you are in a small minority when it comes to listening to valid points then. In a post the other day I posted some offensive numbers over the past 6 years to prove how woeful our offense has been while Chief has been here with the exception of last year. The posters reply back was "I don't care how bad the offensive numbers are, I only care about points scored and wins"
My next thought was, could that poster really be that fricking stupid. I really hope that poster was not a current student or alumnus of LSU because I really can't stand the thought that individual was a product of the LSU system. There is no arguing with that kind of logic because they are not rational or logical.
So believe me you are one of the few!
Posted on 1/9/15 at 10:33 am to Cadello
quote:
In your head you probably think you are a rebel standing up for LSU.
In reality you're are just a huge douche and probably should have been banned .
I'll go on record and say that for a long time I've really liked Rob's takes on most topics...specifically things we tend to agree with when I was still posting on the PoliBoard with regularity. I've always found him to be reasonable and someone with whom I tend to agree and respect the way in which he makes his points.
That being said, I think he's gone off the fricking reservation with his takes on Miles and the current "state" of the program. I don't find the same reasoned arguments being made in favor of his position here that I've seen on other topics on the other boards. Here it's mostly raw emotion, which does not serve his argument well.
While I'd argue (and have in the open) that admins ought to be handing out bannings left and fricking right for posters who seem hellbent on turning this forum into a damn shite show, I don't agree that Rob is one of them...yet. I just think he's wrong...he's not trolling the board.
ETA:
With this take, however, I agree completely.
quote:
I really think the fundamental problem is that there really is no excuse for COMPLETE ineptitude in the passing game at a school like LSU,
And you know...that's the thing. Those of us who get railed for being positive about the program do not blindly follow either the program or the staff. None of us think the program is without fault and neither are the coaches, included the head man.
But...and it's a REALLY big but, it's become almost IMPOSSIBLE to have a reasoned discussion about what constitutes actual issues on this forum, because far too often people who are clearly mental are running around making wild-arse claims that paint the program as run into the ground and being run by a lunatic. Frankly, I have no interest in wading through all of that to find the occasional valid criticism to discuss.
So...I'm left "blindly" defending the status quo because I won;t engage in every ridiculous argument. When the day comes that the riff raff are shown the door and adults can have honest discussions about the program we all proclaim to love, then I think we'll all be better served. I'm not including you, Rob, in this group btw...
This post was edited on 1/9/15 at 10:43 am
Posted on 1/9/15 at 10:53 am to GeauxTigerTM
quote:I'd like to simply say that this is because, in my view at least, each "side"(hate even saying that) thinks EVERYONE on the other side holds ALL of the opinions of the collected group.
But...and it's a REALLY big but, it's become almost IMPOSSIBLE to have a reasoned discussion about what constitutes actual issues on this forum
For example, on more than a few occasions, people have assumed that I want us to run spread because well, that's what many anti-Miles guys want.
Hell, I watch people in here that don't like Miles constantly rail for different varieties of trick plays and I happen to view NEEDING trick plays as an admission of failure.
On the flip side, yes any and all defenses of Miles can tend to get lumped into the "pumper" category.
Speaking for myself, only a few of the "pumpers" drive me nuts. That would be the few that seem to f'n follow every last mildly negative thread around and refuse to acknowledge even the slightest bit of truth in them. It's like they're exercising some sort of duty to quash dissent.
I've actually posted a few times regarding the things Miles does well but I do sincerely believe that his deficiencies are in danger of taking him down entirely.
And that's the thing. For all the crap we give supposedly "bad" coaches, very few are actually "bad". I mean, ya really don't elevate to D1 major college HC being a "bad" coach. For example, some VERY good coaches NEVER succeed as HCs.
Some HCs are DAMNED GOOD at 90% of the but unfortunately, that 10% ends up being critical.
And, some HCs are good for a time and then aren't or, are good for a time but let a few errors in judgement derail them for good.
Anyone saying Miles has zero positive qualities is out to lunch. But, I do honestly think he's kind of an arse. Alas, that's my personal view.
And, in any case, if there is one thing I'm tired of from the "pumper" camp is the portrayal that somehow, a fan who is unhappy with a coach is "happy" when they turn out right. That shite fricking chaps my hide. If we won the damned national title the next three years in a row and every pumper came in to tell us they told us so, do these assholes really think I'm going to be "mad" about it?
Good lord.
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