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re: 5-way tie atop the West, does LSU win the tie?
Posted on 10/26/14 at 5:49 pm to NGATiger
Posted on 10/26/14 at 5:49 pm to NGATiger
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I kinda like that. It gives an advantage to a team who plays tougher cross-division opponents. In the end, though, I still think 1 team outright wins the west.
It does, but teams don't have any control over that. It would suck to lose out if our opponents didn't measure up.
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Posted on 10/26/14 at 5:52 pm to BobBarker
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We'd need to win out, which means we'd beat Bama, giving us the tie breaker. AU would have to lose twice more and OM would have to lose once. Oh, and State would have to lose 3 games. It's possible, but very unlikely.
State would only have to lose twice.
Posted on 10/26/14 at 5:55 pm to BayouBengals03
The key is that we need either Auburn or MSU to finish with 3 losses in order for them to drop out of the tie, since we already lost to both. It's much more realistic with Auburn, since they already have a loss and still have to play UGA and Bama on the road.
This post was edited on 10/26/14 at 5:56 pm
Posted on 10/26/14 at 5:57 pm to Nuts4LSU
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LSU win out
Alabama lose to LSU but win out otherwise
Ole Miss lose to Auburn but win out otherwise
MSU lose to Alabama and Ole Miss
Auburn lose to Alabama and either Georgia or Texas A&M
Unlikely that all of that happens, but no single element is all that far-fetched. It's the combination of all of them that makes it unlikely.
We could also have Ole Miss lose to Arkansas instead of Auburn. It is in Fayetteville.
We saw last night how effective a power rushing attack can be against that small Ole Miss defensive front.
ETA: Plus, this would bump Auburn out of the picture quicker. And we would only have to worry about one game on the final weekend (Egg Bowl), as opposed to two. Assuming Auburn loses at Georgia, of course.
This post was edited on 10/26/14 at 6:00 pm
Posted on 10/26/14 at 5:58 pm to BayouBengals03
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State would only have to lose twice.
Nope three times..............
Posted on 10/26/14 at 5:59 pm to dukke v
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Nope three times..
Nope......Not if it's a 3+ way tie.
This post was edited on 10/26/14 at 6:02 pm
Posted on 10/26/14 at 6:00 pm to dukke v
Not necessarily. The way the tiebreaker works, we could win it over MSU as long as other teams are involved as well (Ole Miss and Bama). We do need one of MSU or Auburn to end up with 3 losses, though.
Posted on 10/26/14 at 7:43 pm to dukke v
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Nope three times....
Disagree. See the link I posted.
Posted on 10/26/14 at 11:14 pm to LSURussian
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MSU lose to Alabama and Ole Miss
Not enough for LSU. Miss St has to have 3 losses for LSU to move ahead of them since they have the head-to-head tiebreaker.
Wrong. MSU doesn't have to lose 3 unless it is only LSU and MSU in the tie. If other teams are involved, we could win the tiebreaker even though they beat us.
This post was edited on 10/26/14 at 11:16 pm
Posted on 10/26/14 at 11:18 pm to BayouBengals03
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ETA: Plus, this would bump Auburn out of the picture quicker. And we would only have to worry about one game on the final weekend (Egg Bowl), as opposed to two. Assuming Auburn loses at Georgia, of course.
No, we would still need Alabama to beat Auburn. We need Alabama in the tie, assuming we beat them.
Posted on 10/26/14 at 11:19 pm to dukke v
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State would only have to lose twice.
Nope three times..............
Do you do this on purpose, or are you just that misinformed?
Posted on 10/26/14 at 11:25 pm to LSURussian
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Not enough for LSU. Miss St has to have 3 losses for LSU to move ahead of them since they have the head-to-head tiebreaker.
Nope.
Posted on 10/26/14 at 11:28 pm to LSURussian
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I don't think that is correct. But okay if you say so....
What do you think the tiebreaker would be among a 4-way tie with LSU, MSU, Bama and Ole Miss?
Head to head among the tied teams is the first tiebreaker. LSU and Ole Miss would be 2-1, Bama and MSU would be 1-2. Why would they just pick out the LSU-MSU situation and knock us out?
Posted on 10/26/14 at 11:32 pm to BayouBengals03
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We could also have Ole Miss lose to Arkansas instead of Auburn. It is in Fayetteville. We saw last night how effective a power rushing attack can be against that small Ole Miss defensive front. ETA: Plus, this would bump Auburn out of the picture quicker. And we would only have to worry about one game on the final weekend (Egg Bowl), as opposed to two. Assuming Auburn loses at Georgia, of course.
True somewhat (we would still need Alabama to beat Auburn to keep Bama in the tie), but I was looking for the smallest number of huge upsets. Arkie over Ole Miss would be a pretty big one to hope for. UK over MSU would have helped us, too, and even looked possible for a while, but the scenario I posted would be very plausible. At least each part would be. To have them all come out right is still a longshot though.
This post was edited on 10/27/14 at 10:31 am
Posted on 10/27/14 at 3:03 am to Nuts4LSU
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What do you think the tiebreaker would be among a 4-way tie with LSU, MSU, Bama and Ole Miss?
Head to head among the tied teams is the first tiebreaker. LSU and Ole Miss would be 2-1, Bama and MSU would be 1-2. Why would they just pick out the LSU-MSU situation and knock us out?
Because he's a dumbass.
Posted on 10/27/14 at 6:40 am to IceTiger
Noooooooooo.
Posted on 10/27/14 at 6:56 am to tigernation56
Win the West?...unlikely
BUT...first we were talking about being bowl eligible, then about playing in a crap bowl (like Birmingham), then playing in a mid-level bowl...
Now we're talking about playing in a good bowl game and we still have three chances to advance at/near the top.
It's amazing how things change so quickly.
I can only imagine what would've occurred if we would've had a quality seasoned QB to start the season.
Watch out next year.
BUT...first we were talking about being bowl eligible, then about playing in a crap bowl (like Birmingham), then playing in a mid-level bowl...
Now we're talking about playing in a good bowl game and we still have three chances to advance at/near the top.
It's amazing how things change so quickly.
I can only imagine what would've occurred if we would've had a quality seasoned QB to start the season.
Watch out next year.
Posted on 10/27/14 at 6:57 am to tigerclaw10
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So what if Bama Miss St and LSU are in a 3 way tie for 1st?
Of course it would be Bama. I don't even have to look at the rules to know they've been designed so Bama would get it.
Posted on 10/27/14 at 6:59 am to IceTiger
A 5 way tie-breaker that comes down to number of combined East opponent wins.
Skip the ado and go down to "Without further ado, here is the craziest possible SEC West finish:"
LINK
LSU probably loses in this case because our East opponents suck, but if you read further down a tie at G) is also possible, meaning the decision comes down to a coin toss. And if it comes down to a coin toss - you know Les Miles will win!
Skip the ado and go down to "Without further ado, here is the craziest possible SEC West finish:"
LINK
LSU probably loses in this case because our East opponents suck, but if you read further down a tie at G) is also possible, meaning the decision comes down to a coin toss. And if it comes down to a coin toss - you know Les Miles will win!
This post was edited on 10/27/14 at 7:01 am
Posted on 10/27/14 at 7:08 am to tigerclaw10
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So what if Bama Miss St and LSU are in a 3 way tie for 1st?
Didn't see this answered. This scenario isn't too likely since Ole Miss would have to lose to both Auburn and Arkansas so they wouldn't be tied, but it depends on the order in which Ole Miss and Auburn finish. Here are the tiebreakers:
1) Head-to-head: LSU beat Bama, Bama beat MSU, MSU beat LSU. All 1-1.
2) Division record: All 4-2.
3) Record against next-best team in the division: Bama and MSU beat Auburn, LSU beat Ole Miss. LSU wins if Ole Miss finishes higher, Bama wins if Auburn does (LSU is knocked out, then head-to-head between Bama and MSU gives it to Bama). If Auburn and Ole Miss are tied, this tiebreaker fails since the combined record for each of the three against Auburn/Ole Miss is 1-1. No other division losses.
4) Record vs. East: All 2-0.
5) Record against common East teams: Same as above, all teams are undefeated against the East.
6) Best combined winning percentage of East opponents: As of now, LSU wins if it comes to this. UF and UK have 4 combined SEC wins (LSU), UK and Vandy have 2 (MSU), UF and UT have 2 (Bama).
tl;dr: LSU wins if Ole Miss finishes the same or better than Auburn, Bama wins if Auburn is higher.
This post was edited on 10/27/14 at 7:18 am
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