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44-9 the most wins in a 4 year period and the first time
Posted on 1/2/14 at 6:42 am
Posted on 1/2/14 at 6:42 am
ever the Sr. class has won 10 or more games a year all 4 years.
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Posted on 1/2/14 at 6:44 am to tigger1
Nb4moralvictories
Posted on 1/2/14 at 7:00 am to tigger1
Look for the trend to continue. I only see Lsu going up from here.
Posted on 1/2/14 at 7:07 am to 2 Chainzzz
Definately a good stat but is 10 wins really what it used to be now that we play 12 games a season plus potentially a championship game, and then a bowl game?
22 out of the current top 25 teams have 10 win seasons.
22 out of the current top 25 teams have 10 win seasons.
Posted on 1/2/14 at 7:09 am to Beef Supreme
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Nb4moralvictories
only took 2 posts
Posted on 1/2/14 at 7:11 am to tigger1
Great Job by Miles.
Makes me feel slightly better giving TAF that 20% donation increase with 4 digits in the amount.
Just win
Makes me feel slightly better giving TAF that 20% donation increase with 4 digits in the amount.
Just win
Posted on 1/2/14 at 7:17 am to themunch
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only took 2 posts
I see how you can take that the wrong way, but its a legit question. Is it right to get as excited as some do with a 10 win season now that we play up to 14 games a year? As I said, 22 of 25 teams in top 25 have 10 or more. More than half of the top 25 currently have 11 or more (14 teams) and 3 teams still have a shot to get to 11.
Posted on 1/2/14 at 7:23 am to Beef Supreme
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I see how you can take that the wrong way, but its a legit question. Is it right to get as excited as some do with a 10 win season now that we play up to 14 games a year? As I said, 22 of 25 teams in top 25 have 10 or more. More than half of the top 25 currently have 11 or more (14 teams) and 3 teams still have a shot to get to 11.
How many of those teams have done it for the last 4 years?
Posted on 1/2/14 at 7:34 am to LNCHBOX
it will take the negative Nellies a long time to answer your direct question.
Posted on 1/2/14 at 7:38 am to tigger1
My first take on this was "this is somewhat unfair because they play more games today than they used to. What if you reverse this and look at losses?" I looked at our record going back to Huey Long and looked at the non-wins (losses or ties). If you look at streaks of 3 or more years where we have had 3 such blemishes or less on our records, there have been only a few such streaks.
1935-1937 (3 years)
1968-1973 (6 years)
1985-1987 (3 years)
2003-2007 (5 years)
2010-2013 (4 years)
So even by this method, LSU football is still doing quite well historically though perhaps not as much better than other periods if you look at win totals alone as the original poster does. Basically, this method gives the old school Tigers a bit of love too.
1935-1937 (3 years)
1968-1973 (6 years)
1985-1987 (3 years)
2003-2007 (5 years)
2010-2013 (4 years)
So even by this method, LSU football is still doing quite well historically though perhaps not as much better than other periods if you look at win totals alone as the original poster does. Basically, this method gives the old school Tigers a bit of love too.
This post was edited on 1/5/14 at 11:06 am
Posted on 1/2/14 at 8:05 am to tigger1
I don't necessarily take pleasure in being the wet blanket, but Les Miles has had the most consecutive seasons of at least 13 games in LSU history as well.
Posted on 1/2/14 at 8:09 am to therick711
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I don't necessarily take pleasure in being the wet blanket, but Les Miles has had the most consecutive seasons of at least 13 games in LSU history as well.
Well then the post directly above yours should dry you up.
quote:
My first take on this was "this is somewhat unfair because they play more games today than they used to. What if you reverse this and look at losses?" I looked at our record going back to Huey Long and looked at the non-wins (losses or ties). If you look at streaks of 3 or more years where we have had 3 such blemishes or less on our records, there have been only a few such streaks.
1935-1937 (3 years)
1968-1973 (6 years)
1985-1987 (3 years)
2003-2007 (4 years)
2010-2013 (4 years)
So even by this method, LSU football is still doing quite well historically though perhaps not as much better than other periods if you look at win totals alone as the original poster does. Basically, this method gives the old school Tigers a bit of love too.
Posted on 1/2/14 at 8:15 am to machismo64
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My first take on this was "this is somewhat unfair because they play more games today than they used to. What if you reverse this and look at losses?" I looked at our record going back to Huey Long and looked at the non-wins (losses or ties). If you look at streaks of 3 or more years where we have had 3 such blemishes or less on our records, there have been only a few such streaks.
1935-1937 (3 years)
1968-1973 (6 years)
1985-1987 (3 years)
2003-2007 (4 years)
2010-2013 (4 years)
So even by this method, LSU football is still doing quite well historically though perhaps not as much better than other periods if you look at win totals alone as the original poster does. Basically, this method gives the old school Tigers a bit of love too.
Posted on 1/2/14 at 8:16 am to LNCHBOX
Comparing numbers when you have more games still doesn't solve the issue of proportionality which is inherent in this problem. The second issue is the selection bias. You start with the presumption that what has been done is the best and then you go back and find stats to prove it.
It is using nominal numbers like a drunk uses a light pole--for support, not illumination.
ETA: That isn't to say that I don't appreciate the OP's post and the post that precedes my first post in this thread. Both contain great information, I just think that some context is warranted to understand exactly what we are looking at.
It is using nominal numbers like a drunk uses a light pole--for support, not illumination.
ETA: That isn't to say that I don't appreciate the OP's post and the post that precedes my first post in this thread. Both contain great information, I just think that some context is warranted to understand exactly what we are looking at.
This post was edited on 1/2/14 at 8:18 am
Posted on 1/2/14 at 8:20 am to therick711
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44-9 the most wins in a 4 year period and the first time Comparing numbers when you have more games still doesn't solve the issue of proportionality which is inherent in this problem. The second issue is the selection bias. You start with the presumption that what has been done is the best and then you go back and find stats to prove it. It is using nominal numbers like a drunk uses a light pole--for support, not illumination. ETA: That isn't to say that I don't appreciate the OP's post and the post that precedes my first post in this thread. Both contain great information, I just think that some context is warranted to understand exactly what we are looking at.
Posted on 1/2/14 at 8:22 am to 2 Chainzzz
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Look for the trend to continue. I only see Lsu going up from here.
QB will make or break this incoming FR class.
With QB play we saw yesterday, we'll follow the trend of the Jefferson years (minus the Lee year of '11). 9-4, 10-3 seasons, non BCS bowls.
With a QB who can actualy play, this class has a chance to be Alabama dominant or at worst 03-07 LSU dominant.
Posted on 1/2/14 at 8:22 am to therick711
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Comparing numbers when you have more games still doesn't solve the issue of proportionality which is inherent in this problem. The second issue is the selection bias. You start with the presumption that what has been done is the best and then you go back and find stats to prove it.
It is using nominal numbers like a drunk uses a light pole--for support, not illumination.
You're trying way too hard to minimize what Miles has done since he's been here.
Posted on 1/2/14 at 8:23 am to therick711
In today's college football climate, 10 wins is a solid season, something to build on. It is not elite.
Having lost our starting D to the draft, I think our 10 win season deserves a little "attaboy" asterisk. Let's see what happens in recruiting today and if our senior talent stays for next year.
Having lost our starting D to the draft, I think our 10 win season deserves a little "attaboy" asterisk. Let's see what happens in recruiting today and if our senior talent stays for next year.
Posted on 1/2/14 at 8:25 am to machismo64
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machismo64
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10 posts
I like this guy.
Posted on 1/2/14 at 8:25 am to LNCHBOX
I like Les. I'm proud of what he's done. I'm trying to help you understand why we should question several things; namely, whether 4 years is the correct period to evaluate, whether raw numbers is the best metric to use, whether winning percentage over some given amount of time might be a useful thing to look at. Just because someone questions the methodology of LSU's manufactured narrative that they have been putting over since we lost our third game does not mean that they are anti-anything other than LSU's attempt to create meaning beyond we won a key bowl matchup and we look solid going forward. I ask that you think about it critically and take it at face value. If after doing that, you still don't see the issues I've pointed out, that's fair enough.
I think if Les does what we think he's going to pull off tonight and holds them until signing day, that accomplishment will outstrip any arbitrary amount of 10 win seasons or bowl championships. It will help set up what I think will be his best run yet.
I think if Les does what we think he's going to pull off tonight and holds them until signing day, that accomplishment will outstrip any arbitrary amount of 10 win seasons or bowl championships. It will help set up what I think will be his best run yet.
This post was edited on 1/2/14 at 8:27 am
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