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re: 29-6 over the last two and half years....
Posted on 10/22/13 at 1:13 am to D500MAG
Posted on 10/22/13 at 1:13 am to D500MAG
as it stands now, head to head, hugh freeze is a better coach than miles. remains to be seen if he can stand the test of time. imo if he gets a lil better athlete across the board he could prove to be a very good coach. just look at his history, football isnt the only thing he can coach and that says a whole lot about the man.
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Posted on 10/22/13 at 1:16 am to cbtullis
diaf breh
Posted on 10/22/13 at 8:33 pm to theunknownknight
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Rickdaddy4188
Choke on a bag of dicks!
Posted on 10/22/13 at 8:45 pm to s_i5
For $4 million a year average since 2008, you'd expect more from your coach. LSU in its last 1.5 seasons is 16-5 including an embarrassing loss to a depleted Ole Miss team.
Clamoring about his record and counting his outlier year to boost it up is as bad as people blaming lack of talent on LSU for our defensive woes when an Ole Miss defense down 6 starters and 4 DEs shut down LSU's supposed great offense.
Clamoring about his record and counting his outlier year to boost it up is as bad as people blaming lack of talent on LSU for our defensive woes when an Ole Miss defense down 6 starters and 4 DEs shut down LSU's supposed great offense.
Posted on 10/22/13 at 9:07 pm to cbtullis
Agreed, most of the morons on here want Les fired have 0 football knowledge. Les is the reason LSU is an elite football program for the first time in LSU history. This dream list of coaches that this board dreams up that would come here is pure hogwash. Wake and realize Les is the best coach in LSU history.
Posted on 10/22/13 at 9:08 pm to cbtullis
I guess it comes down to this: what are our standards? If you're fine with winning most of our games and going to a good bowl game every year then Les is your man.
Posted on 10/22/13 at 9:09 pm to Morgus
LOL when has it been any better, LMAO
Posted on 10/22/13 at 9:10 pm to Geauxgurt
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and counting his outlier year
Which one is the outlier? 2011 or 2007?
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blaming lack of talent on LSU for our defensive woes
Well, it's objectively true that we lost a lot on defense. Do you think that Chavis somehow lost his ability to coach a defense, or do you think that maybe the easier answer is that we are pretty young there now?
Posted on 10/22/13 at 9:12 pm to Morgus
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I guess it comes down to this: what are our standards? If you're fine with winning most of our games and going to a good bowl game every year then Les is your man
This.
Posted on 10/22/13 at 9:16 pm to akcheat
Defense talent pool is down, half these guys this year would have been backups if we don't lose players to draft. With that being said half this group would have been ready to go and play much better next year. Just what happens when you get an elite program.
Posted on 10/22/13 at 9:17 pm to akcheat
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Which one is the outlier? 2011 or 2007?
2007 was a serious outlier in the result it achieved, but it was a typical Les season. Two losses and tough games versus significantly less talented teams with one extremely strong OOC game.
2011 was the true outlier and I honestly think we only had the success we did in 2011 because Les' hand was forced on several aspects for most of the season until he decided to force his hand at the end.
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Well, it's objectively true that we lost a lot on defense. Do you think that Chavis somehow lost his ability to coach a defense, or do you think that maybe the easier answer is that we are pretty young there now?
Yes, LSU lost a lot of talent, but is LSU's 2-deep worse than Ole Miss' 3-deep? Team's with significantly less talent seem to perform at the same level as LSU.
Further, if Les is such a great recruiter as many claim, LSU shouldn't be in such dire straights because of early entries. If anything, Les' failure in 2012 recruiting is what cost this team on the defensive side and has proven that Chavis' defense is only great when it has studs and Ron Cooper as a DB coach.
Posted on 10/22/13 at 9:19 pm to cbtullis
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But besides Alabama, who's program would you trade LSUs for over the past 8 and half seasons.
Umm I'd trade with Alabama's record.
Posted on 10/22/13 at 9:26 pm to Geauxgurt
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I honestly think we only had the success we did in 2011 because Les' hand was forced on several aspects for most of the season until he decided to force his hand at the end.
That is honestly one of the strangest arguments I've ever heard. So the entirety of the year was Les doing things he didn't want to do, except the game that we lost? How can any sane person justify that point? He gets no credit for the exceptional season, but gets blame for the one loss? Are you that stupid?
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Further, if Les is such a great recruiter as many claim
Well, he obviously is, or else such an "idiot" coach wouldn't win very much, right?
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If anything, Les' failure in 2012 recruiting
Wait, were you expecting redshirt freshmen and true sophomores to be SEC elite? That seems naive.
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Chavis' defense is only great when it has studs and Ron Cooper as a DB coach.
Well, yea. Studs make for a great defense. How many of the elite defenses at Tennessee did Chavis have Cooper with? Or, again, maybe you could point to the fact that our defense is young as hell...
Posted on 10/22/13 at 9:38 pm to NorthshoreTiger76
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Best coach in LSU history but Bama is all that matters to some of you
Posted on 10/22/13 at 9:48 pm to akcheat
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That is honestly one of the strangest arguments I've ever heard. So the entirety of the year was Les doing things he didn't want to do, except the game that we lost? How can any sane person justify that point? He gets no credit for the exceptional season, but gets blame for the one loss? Are you that stupid?
Why? He had no choice but to go against his personal preferences, especially on offense. It forced him away from his comfort zone, then JJ came back and Les was intent on forcing him back in for some strange reason.
It happens to lots of coaches. They only change when circumstances force them to and it works out for them.
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Well, he obviously is, or else such an "idiot" coach wouldn't win very much, right?
Les has done well on average, but his past 2 to 3 years have been mediocre in comparison. He's being out recruited by rivals with less available to them.
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Wait, were you expecting redshirt freshmen and true sophomores to be SEC elite? That seems naive
Where did I say elite defense should be expected? There is a difference between being straight bad, being a good defense, and being an elite defense. LSU is a bad defense right now and talent is not an excuse. Our DBs all regressed last year that had previous playing experience, yet those elite talents simply all had a bad year at the same time.
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Well, yea. Studs make for a great defense. How many of the elite defenses at Tennessee did Chavis have Cooper with? Or, again, maybe you could point to the fact that our defense is young as hell.
Again, his defenses at Tennessee were entirely dependent on talent. If there weren't numerous studs, they were bad. When he had studs, they were great. Great coaches make good defense with good talent, mediocre coaches make great defenses with great talent and mediocre defense with good talent. Chavis is the latter.
Posted on 10/22/13 at 11:03 pm to cbtullis
I don't honestly post that much. And I am not very old (26), but can none of you realize a trend in LSU history?
Help Mac Pack...fire Miles...where is the difference? And how did that end up for us? How did the firing of Phil Fulmer at Tennessee or Tommy Tubberville at Auburn treat those programs? I don't think, from what I read on here, most of you would be around if we had to go through some of the seasons those universities have had to go through.
In my opinion we are in a very similar situation. Charlie Mac was fired bc he couldn't beat Bear Bryant and also struggled against Ole Miss. After Mac left we won exactly 2 conference championships in 20 years and had an overall record of 125-99.
In any case, Les Miles has the ability to have more success at LSU than even Cholly Mac had. He has already won as many SEC championships and has a National title in two appearances to boot.
Maybe I have a different point of view because I became a fan of LSU football when we were terrible, suffering through the Curly Hulman years. I can remember when we lost to Florida 58-3 at home in 1993. Bowl games through my first few years of fandom were a thing of legend.
This is the best period in LSU football history. I will not argue that Nick Saban is not a better coach, but I am enjoying these years. Sure it is frustrating that we have lost some games we had no business losing. But I think if you look back, you could say that at any point in LSU's football history. We are in the title hunt, if not every year, but most years. And can we agree that that is awesome?
Enjoy this time. It doesn't come around very often.
Help Mac Pack...fire Miles...where is the difference? And how did that end up for us? How did the firing of Phil Fulmer at Tennessee or Tommy Tubberville at Auburn treat those programs? I don't think, from what I read on here, most of you would be around if we had to go through some of the seasons those universities have had to go through.
In my opinion we are in a very similar situation. Charlie Mac was fired bc he couldn't beat Bear Bryant and also struggled against Ole Miss. After Mac left we won exactly 2 conference championships in 20 years and had an overall record of 125-99.
In any case, Les Miles has the ability to have more success at LSU than even Cholly Mac had. He has already won as many SEC championships and has a National title in two appearances to boot.
Maybe I have a different point of view because I became a fan of LSU football when we were terrible, suffering through the Curly Hulman years. I can remember when we lost to Florida 58-3 at home in 1993. Bowl games through my first few years of fandom were a thing of legend.
This is the best period in LSU football history. I will not argue that Nick Saban is not a better coach, but I am enjoying these years. Sure it is frustrating that we have lost some games we had no business losing. But I think if you look back, you could say that at any point in LSU's football history. We are in the title hunt, if not every year, but most years. And can we agree that that is awesome?
Enjoy this time. It doesn't come around very often.
Posted on 10/22/13 at 11:20 pm to cbtullis
Why did you pick a random time frame like 2.5 years?
Also how many of those 29 were patsies?
How do you feel about losing 3/4 bowl games?
Also how many of those 29 were patsies?
How do you feel about losing 3/4 bowl games?
Posted on 10/22/13 at 11:45 pm to The Future
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Also how many of those 29 were patsies?
Probably the same number that every big program played over that span.
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How do you feel about losing 3/4 bowl games?
It sucks, but I don't wanna change the coaching staff.
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