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2015-16 LSU Basketball: The Numbers, RPI, MM Odds...
Posted on 2/7/16 at 1:45 pm
Posted on 2/7/16 at 1:45 pm
As of 2/5:
Overall Record: 15-8
SEC Record: 8-2
Home: 12-2
Away: 3-4
Neutral: 0-2
RPI: 76 (As of 2/7)
NCAA Tourney Odds: 3/1
NCAA Championship Odds: 25/1
Top Performers (National Ranking)
Ben Simmons
Points: 19.4 (40th)
Reb: 12.3 (4th)
Assists: 5.0 (65th)
Steals: 1.9 (50th)
Blocks: 1.0
Craig Victor
Points: 12.7
Reb: 6.3
Steals: 1.2
Blocks: 0.8
Keith Hornsby
Points: 13.4
Reb: 2.6
Assists: 1.8
Steals: 1.1
Tim Quarterman
Points: 11.5
Reb: 4.8
Assists: 3.6
Steals: 0.9
Antonio Blakeney
Points: 10.5
Reb: 3.4
Assists: 1.0
Steals: 0.7
LSU Remaining Games
Feb.10 - @ South Carolina
Feb. 13 - vs. Texas A&M (Upset possibility is much higher than against OU)
Feb. 17 - vs. Alabama
Feb. 20 - @ Tenn (Nice Win to have)
Feb. 23 - @ Arkansas
Feb. 27 - vs. Florida (Must WIN for RPI help)
March 1 - vs. Missouri
March 5 - @ Kentucky (Upset would do wonders to end the season with a road win at UK)
As of 2/5, Joe Lunardi has LSU in as a 10th seed in the South Bracket which looks like this:
1. Oklahoma
2. Virginia
3. Maryland
4. Providence
5. Dayton
6. Wichita St.
7. Utah (LSU's Opponent)
8. Notre Dame
9. St.Mary's
10. LSU
11. Cal/Seton Hall
12. Arkansas Little-Rock
13. Chattanooga
14. Hofstra
15. North Florida
16. Texas Southern/Wagner
This is how tournament seeding goes for anyone that doesn't know:
1 vs. 16
2 vs. 15
3 vs. 14
4 vs. 13
5 vs. 12
6 vs. 11
7 vs. 10
8 vs. 9
Overall Record: 15-8
SEC Record: 8-2
Home: 12-2
Away: 3-4
Neutral: 0-2
RPI: 76 (As of 2/7)
NCAA Tourney Odds: 3/1
NCAA Championship Odds: 25/1
Top Performers (National Ranking)
Ben Simmons
Points: 19.4 (40th)
Reb: 12.3 (4th)
Assists: 5.0 (65th)
Steals: 1.9 (50th)
Blocks: 1.0
Craig Victor
Points: 12.7
Reb: 6.3
Steals: 1.2
Blocks: 0.8
Keith Hornsby
Points: 13.4
Reb: 2.6
Assists: 1.8
Steals: 1.1
Tim Quarterman
Points: 11.5
Reb: 4.8
Assists: 3.6
Steals: 0.9
Antonio Blakeney
Points: 10.5
Reb: 3.4
Assists: 1.0
Steals: 0.7
LSU Remaining Games
Feb.10 - @ South Carolina
Feb. 13 - vs. Texas A&M (Upset possibility is much higher than against OU)
Feb. 17 - vs. Alabama
Feb. 20 - @ Tenn (Nice Win to have)
Feb. 23 - @ Arkansas
Feb. 27 - vs. Florida (Must WIN for RPI help)
March 1 - vs. Missouri
March 5 - @ Kentucky (Upset would do wonders to end the season with a road win at UK)
As of 2/5, Joe Lunardi has LSU in as a 10th seed in the South Bracket which looks like this:
1. Oklahoma
2. Virginia
3. Maryland
4. Providence
5. Dayton
6. Wichita St.
7. Utah (LSU's Opponent)
8. Notre Dame
9. St.Mary's
10. LSU
11. Cal/Seton Hall
12. Arkansas Little-Rock
13. Chattanooga
14. Hofstra
15. North Florida
16. Texas Southern/Wagner
This is how tournament seeding goes for anyone that doesn't know:
1 vs. 16
2 vs. 15
3 vs. 14
4 vs. 13
5 vs. 12
6 vs. 11
7 vs. 10
8 vs. 9
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Posted on 2/7/16 at 1:54 pm to tadelatt
Would love another shot at Oklahoma
Posted on 2/7/16 at 1:59 pm to tadelatt
In that hypothetical region I can guarantee you Virginia would have their hands full with North Florida. The Ospreys get hot and they can out score anyone.
ETA: Cal would probably out physical Wichita State too
ETA: Cal would probably out physical Wichita State too
This post was edited on 2/7/16 at 2:03 pm
Posted on 2/7/16 at 2:00 pm to tadelatt
Might wanna add behind the USCe game that there's your quality road win
Posted on 2/7/16 at 2:25 pm to TommyDaTiger
quote:
Might wanna add behind the USCe game that there's your quality road win
Might want to add "another". Vandy is definitely looked upon as a quality road victory. If the Tigers play as well against USCe as they did against Vandy that will be another win.
Posted on 2/8/16 at 8:09 am to RANDY44
The way LSU is playing right now, if Simmons and Antonio continue to roll, I honestly think this might be one of the hottest teams heading into March and you know how much they love teams that are winning late.
Posted on 2/8/16 at 9:20 am to RANDY44
quote:neither vandy nor bama are top 50. in fact, they've dropped like lsu the last few days. bama was at 53, now down to 57.
Vandy is definitely looked upon as a quality road victory
5 of the last 8 games are against the top half of the conference. lsu has a fantastic opportunity to make a huge statement.
Posted on 2/8/16 at 9:23 am to tadelatt
Jerry Palm now has us in as a #12 against USC in the South. Friday he had us as one of the first four out, now we have jumped to in with a bye. Going 1/2 of this week would be huge. If we go 2/2, not only are we safely in the tournament, but we have a solid lead on the Conference.
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This post was edited on 2/8/16 at 9:25 am
Posted on 2/8/16 at 9:25 am to ellessuuuu
I'll post it in here too, lunardi moved us off his on the bubble section but we are still a 10 seed
Posted on 2/8/16 at 9:27 am to bfniii
quote:
neither vandy nor bama are top 50.
Dude, you are so obsessed with RPI numbers. Just stop that.
Vanderbilt has 1 home loss this year; to LSU. They have beat Florida, Texas A&M, and a 19-4 Stony Brook team at home, but couldn't beat LSU. It is a very good win.
Posted on 2/8/16 at 9:50 am to SouthOfSouth
quote:and you aren't paying attention. i have repeatedly talked about more than just rpi. over and over again because the cult needs more explanation than most people. and btw, rpi is kind of big deal at tourney time.
Dude, you are so obsessed with RPI numbers. Just stop that.
quote:that is a subjective statement. the numbers are objective. they aren't top 50. you can't guarantee the committee would say right now it's a good win because you're not a mind reader. what we can say is that neither vandy nor bama are top 50. i'm talking numbers, not mind reading.
It is a very good win.
for some reason, a small group of people don't like to hear the raw numbers because it shows that lsu wasn't in a good position when i posted them. some people went so far as to criticize the way one of the sites was formatted because, you know, that definitely means the info is dumb.
Posted on 2/8/16 at 9:54 am to bfniii
quote:
bfniii
LSU won both of its games last week. What more do you immediately want?
If we go 1-1 this week, it will be considered good. I'm sure you'll find some insignificant thing to bitch about though.
If we go 2-0, I advise you to call the suicide hotline.
Posted on 2/8/16 at 9:55 am to bfniii
B, what does rpi measure?
Posted on 2/8/16 at 9:59 am to bfniii
quote:
that is a subjective statement. the numbers are objective. they aren't top 50. you can't guarantee the committee would say right now it's a good win because you're not a mind reader. what we can say is that neither vandy nor bama are top 50. i'm talking numbers, not mind reading.
RPI isn't the only objective statistic to judge an opponent...
KenPom (computer ranking) has Vandy at 35th.
BPI has Vandy at 33rd.
And before you tell me the committee doesn't use those stats, that is totally fine. They are basically measures that consider a lot more than archaic RPI formula that is just a glorified strength of schedule rating that takes nothing into account besides W's and L's.
quote:
for some reason, a small group of people don't like to hear the raw numbers because it shows that lsu wasn't in a good position when i posted them. some people went so far as to criticize the way one of the sites was formatted because, you know, that definitely means the info is dumb.
I think your demeanor is so off-putting that it doesn't allow people to take your criticism's seriously. If you actually wanted to have a conversation on the subject, you should act like it; however, you tend to respond without listening to anyone else or with an open mind.
I think it's great having someone who is a narcissist like yourself to help ground fans, but you have to also have an open mind. You have RPI to hold onto, and that's fine and dandy, LSU's RPI isn't NCAAT worthy, but that is really the main spot where LSU's resume falls short. You try and make up silly factors that aren't really bad or you downplay significant positives.
Posted on 2/8/16 at 10:01 am to bfniii
BTW RPI doesn't even account for home/away. That is just stupid when it comes to a sport where home teams win over 60% of the time.
Posted on 2/8/16 at 10:01 am to SouthOfSouth
Hes probably gonna respond with I've only said facts this entire time and something about Mississippi state missing the tourney with 30 wins or something.
Posted on 2/8/16 at 10:08 am to ellessuuuu
Palm says he's considering us an auto-bid right now, so I guess we still have work to do in his eyes as an at-large:
He's always been a little more faithful to the RPI than Lunardi it seems, and even last year he was lower on us than the committee ended up being. Think he had us heading to the play-in round in his final projection, and of course we ended up two or three seed lines above that.
quote:
"This bracket also has an unusual feature for a bracket projection - a bid stealer. LSU is in the bracket as the leader of the SEC, but the Tigers have a borderline at-large profile at best. Other than a home win over Kentucky, there wouldn't be anything to talk about. But, LSU has a one-game lead in the conference race so there they are."
He's always been a little more faithful to the RPI than Lunardi it seems, and even last year he was lower on us than the committee ended up being. Think he had us heading to the play-in round in his final projection, and of course we ended up two or three seed lines above that.
This post was edited on 2/8/16 at 10:21 am
Posted on 2/8/16 at 10:19 am to LMfan
That makes sense. He doesn't seem to be giving any consideration to losses without Hornsby and Victor. With Ben Simmons being in the mix, the Committee will give some consideration to when we had our full slate of players and our record in the last 10 games.
ETA: If LSU wins the SEC tournament, we will not be a "bid stealer."
ETA: If LSU wins the SEC tournament, we will not be a "bid stealer."
This post was edited on 2/8/16 at 10:20 am
Posted on 2/8/16 at 10:19 am to LMfan
I think we just all just ignore bfniii. Let's stop responding/addressing/asking with anything regarding him. That way he will just go away, and the adults can talk.
Posted on 2/8/16 at 10:23 am to ellessuuuu
quote:
That makes sense. He doesn't seem to be giving any consideration to losses without Hornsby and Victor. With Ben Simmons being in the mix, the Committee will give some consideration to when we had our full slate of players and our record in the last 10 games.
ETA: If LSU wins the SEC tournament, we will not be a "bid stealer."
I agree with this, it'd be nearly impossible mathematically speaking to earn the auto bid without having also earned our way in as an at-large, just due to the amount of extra quality wins we'd have amassed during that run.
Would love to win the tournament this year but it shouldn't be necessary. If we take can care of business this week we should be in very good shape.
This post was edited on 2/8/16 at 10:24 am
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