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Why is Bama's OL annually rated better than ours? Here's one explanation...
Posted on 12/2/13 at 5:42 pm
Posted on 12/2/13 at 5:42 pm
The Gumps have the following O-Line commitments (by rating) for 2014:
one 5-Star recruit
four 4-Star recruits
one 3-Star recruits
Bama has several other OL targets for their 2014 class.
LSU O-Line prospects:two four-star recruits
LSU only has a couple of other OL targets and virtually none that are mentioned on TD.com. (Therefore, there must not be any.)
At some point, you have to look at sheer numbers and how that affects the outcomes. You have to take into account injuries, team suspensions and defections, and those who just don't pan out or develop.
Question: Is recruiting designated by geography, position, or a combination of both?
one 5-Star recruit
four 4-Star recruits
one 3-Star recruits
Bama has several other OL targets for their 2014 class.
LSU O-Line prospects:two four-star recruits
LSU only has a couple of other OL targets and virtually none that are mentioned on TD.com. (Therefore, there must not be any.)
At some point, you have to look at sheer numbers and how that affects the outcomes. You have to take into account injuries, team suspensions and defections, and those who just don't pan out or develop.
Question: Is recruiting designated by geography, position, or a combination of both?
This post was edited on 12/2/13 at 5:45 pm
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Posted on 12/2/13 at 5:45 pm to TNTigerman
this board is the wrong place to suggest that our OLine is thin.
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some of these guys don't take into account that injuries and early departures will have you wondering why your pants are down.
Boys, if it ain't rule #1 in football, then it's #2......have at least a 3 deep for oline.....
Preferably 7 OT's should be in that mix......good ones.
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some of these guys don't take into account that injuries and early departures will have you wondering why your pants are down. Boys, if it ain't rule #1 in football, then it's #2......have at least a 3 deep for oline.....
Preferably 7 OT's should be in that mix......good ones.
This post was edited on 12/2/13 at 5:50 pm
Posted on 12/2/13 at 5:53 pm to TNTigerman
Bama had (Rivals) 1 5*, 1 4*, and 2 3* in 2011. In 2012, they took 1 4*, and 2 3*. Last year they took 1 4*, and 3 3*.
We recruit at least 4 OL every year. Most of our OLinemen were 4 star recruits - or fairly high 3-star recruits, see - Malone (2013) and Fanaika (2012).
The 2014 OL recruits haven't played a down yet.
I think you need better data and better analysis on this point.
ETA: We only took 2 in 2010 - so that point might be valid, but, then again, Bama only took 3 that year.
We recruit at least 4 OL every year. Most of our OLinemen were 4 star recruits - or fairly high 3-star recruits, see - Malone (2013) and Fanaika (2012).
The 2014 OL recruits haven't played a down yet.
I think you need better data and better analysis on this point.
ETA: We only took 2 in 2010 - so that point might be valid, but, then again, Bama only took 3 that year.
This post was edited on 12/2/13 at 5:58 pm
Posted on 12/2/13 at 5:59 pm to Ace Midnight
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We recruit at least 4 OL every year. Most of our OLinemen were 4 star recruits - or fairly high 3-star recruits, see - Malone (2013) and Fanaika (2012). The 2014 OL recruits haven't played a down yet. I think you need better data and better analysis on this point.
No matter what you say, it will bode poorly for the future when we end up with 2 OL in this class. Offensive Linemen make up 45% of every offensive snap of every game LSU plays. You do the math.
Posted on 12/2/13 at 6:03 pm to TNTigerman
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No matter what you say, it will bode poorly for the future when we end up with 2 OL in this class. Offensive Linemen make up 45% of every offensive snap of every game LSU plays. You do the math.
I count 17 offensive linemen on the roster - Williford is the only senior (and his career was over in Summer ball) and Collins is the only junior who projects into the draft.
Tell me again why only replacing 1 player with 2 is going to reduce our strength on the OL in 2014?
Posted on 12/2/13 at 6:18 pm to dstone12
quote:
this board is the wrong place to suggest that our OLine is thin.
no it isn't, you just act like a colossal douchebag whenever you talk to people so you get more negative responses than your positions merit
Posted on 12/2/13 at 6:23 pm to TNTigerman
And the obsession continues
Posted on 12/2/13 at 6:23 pm to lsutothetop
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lsutothetop
oh, it's lsutothetop again: my bitch secretary.
she's also the president of my fan club...i know this because every time i say something, she's always there supporting me.
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no it isn't, you just act like a colossal douchebag whenever you talk to people so you get more negative responses than your positions merit
who's acting like a douche, here?
lsutothetop...im not going to have to battle you everytime so, back to the story at hand:
9 interior Linemen and 7 Tackles is a good par level.
This post was edited on 12/2/13 at 6:26 pm
Posted on 12/2/13 at 6:26 pm to dstone12
oh yeah, I refresh every thread just waiting for your posts 
Seriously, you had good points in the thread you linked, but you laced it with all kinds of completely unnecessary potshots at the person you were talking to. I wouldn't be calling it out except you decided to take one person's umbrage with your unnecessary douchebaggery to mean that the whole board thinks the OL is fine, which is silly.
EDIT: If that's combined OL/DL then yeah, I pretty much agree. I might do a little less (12-13 a class) but at least 10
Seriously, you had good points in the thread you linked, but you laced it with all kinds of completely unnecessary potshots at the person you were talking to. I wouldn't be calling it out except you decided to take one person's umbrage with your unnecessary douchebaggery to mean that the whole board thinks the OL is fine, which is silly.
EDIT: If that's combined OL/DL then yeah, I pretty much agree. I might do a little less (12-13 a class) but at least 10
This post was edited on 12/2/13 at 6:28 pm
Posted on 12/2/13 at 6:28 pm to TNTigerman
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No matter what you say, it will bode poorly for the future when we end up with 2 OL in this class. Offensive Linemen make up 45% of every offensive snap of every game LSU plays. You do the math.
My math: 5/22 equals 23%. Taking into account special team specialist I would reduce the # to 20%. So 20% of every recruiting class on average should consist of o-lineman. 20% of 25 schollies equals 5. There should be a minimum of 5 o lineman in every recruiting class. Being the development of o-lineman are harder to predict than other positions I would go with 6 being the optimal number. We do under recruit the o-line and it shows on the field especially when we play the tough in the trenches teams like Bama.
Posted on 12/2/13 at 6:33 pm to Ace Midnight
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Tell me again why only replacing 1 player with 2 is going to reduce our strength on the OL in 2014?
it's not that we are reducing strength its that we need more strength. Surprised Miles doesn't recruit o line harder being he was one in college and with the style of football he tries to get his teams to play. He wants to play smash mouth football but doesn't recruit enough of the big uglies (to do it effectively )
This post was edited on 12/2/13 at 6:35 pm
Posted on 12/2/13 at 6:34 pm to lsutothetop
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completely unnecessary potshots at the person you were talking to
oh....ohhhh, like you did in this thread? okay.
what a bitch.
Posted on 12/2/13 at 6:34 pm to boxcar willie
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We do under recruit the o-line and it shows on the field especially when we play the tough in the trenches teams like Bama.
We've recruited the same number of OL over the last 4 recruiting classes as Bama has - plus or minus 1.
Posted on 12/2/13 at 6:34 pm to boxcar willie
I hear both sides, but I like to have stars cause of of class rankings, but coaching plays the biggest affect of o-line. I don't think it's recruiting, I think it's STUD!!!
Posted on 12/2/13 at 6:38 pm to TNTigerman
Bamasessed just a little?
Posted on 12/2/13 at 6:40 pm to dstone12
You made a completely incorrect statement to the OP about how the board views the OL situation. Calling that out was neither unnecessary nor a potshot.
OP, yes, it's a fairly good bet that we don't sign enough quality linemen. The offensive line in particular has had problems pertaining to this for quite some time. Some years, like in 2013, 2011, 2007, we're able to keep a talented group of guys fully healthy and performing well. Most years, it seems, we end up with just enough attrition to throw us off and to get a "good but not great" performance.
OP, yes, it's a fairly good bet that we don't sign enough quality linemen. The offensive line in particular has had problems pertaining to this for quite some time. Some years, like in 2013, 2011, 2007, we're able to keep a talented group of guys fully healthy and performing well. Most years, it seems, we end up with just enough attrition to throw us off and to get a "good but not great" performance.
Posted on 12/2/13 at 8:03 pm to lsutothetop
At what point is an OP no longer an OP?
Posted on 12/2/13 at 8:34 pm to TNTigerman
Why do Alabama's RBs suck so bad when they reach the NFL?
1) because Alabama has good OLs
2) because Alabama will NEVER be called for holding as long as the SEC HQ is in Gumpville
Many kids don't care about honor, tradition, or even the rules. Some just want to win at all costs. If that means playing for a team who gets away with murder, then that's where they'll go.
What an easy sell. "Hey kid...come to 'Bama and you can grab, hold, and tackle 'cause they ain't gonna call us for shite."
1) because Alabama has good OLs
2) because Alabama will NEVER be called for holding as long as the SEC HQ is in Gumpville
Many kids don't care about honor, tradition, or even the rules. Some just want to win at all costs. If that means playing for a team who gets away with murder, then that's where they'll go.
What an easy sell. "Hey kid...come to 'Bama and you can grab, hold, and tackle 'cause they ain't gonna call us for shite."
Posted on 12/2/13 at 8:34 pm to TNTigerman
We have a head coach that was an OL at Michigan under Bo - the recruits should be lining up to play for him just like kids line up to play on defense for Saban
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