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Posted on 1/7/14 at 10:47 am to Ronnie Hot Finger
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Yeah they won't leave the state, but they'll still go to aTm.
Isn't Baylor the top team in Texas the past couple of years?
Posted on 1/7/14 at 1:24 pm to tigercreole
i think it will hurt are recruiting with the top tier talent in the state once he has it turned around, which shouldnt take too long...but there is so much talent there....Texas went after the wrong kids in recent years...they went after the pre-madonna type gaudy numbers guys...Strong is a diciplined coach dont think he will recruit that...he's gonna go after tough east tx kids...if anything he will hurt A&M's and Baylor's recruiting more than ours...We need to rebuild the fence around our state is what needs to happen...and continue to dip into Georgia, Florida and Texas when needed..
Posted on 1/7/14 at 4:49 pm to Jim Rockford
Jim..the horns have lost about 80-90% of the head to heads with A&M the last 2 years. Strong will make it ougher for sure, but won't flip it completely.
Posted on 1/7/14 at 5:14 pm to burbank
Won't flip completely but Texas is a bigger draw to kids in Texas than TAM and if Strong puts the right staff together it will at the least even things out especially on defense which happens to be where TAM needs help the most. The SEC card only goes so far especially if you are just a member and not winning in bigger way.
I think Strong was the worst hire, realistic hire not the fantasy land they hsd people believing, from TAMs perspective. Takes the black coach angle away. Dont care what TAM people say, that angle is used in a big way
I think Strong was the worst hire, realistic hire not the fantasy land they hsd people believing, from TAMs perspective. Takes the black coach angle away. Dont care what TAM people say, that angle is used in a big way
Posted on 1/7/14 at 5:19 pm to bopper50
I know Mack's thing was filling his class needs at the UT Junior day. He would rather get early commits than hold out and get the really big fish. Strong will spread his bets a little more wisely than that.
This post was edited on 1/7/14 at 5:22 pm
Posted on 1/7/14 at 7:23 pm to lsufanva
The conditions have changed GREATLY Lsufanva,
I'd say 70-80% of A&M's commits have said playing in the SEC is a BIG influence. Have to keep winning though.. That you're correct about.
I don't believe for one second that the black angle has been played..doesn't need to be.
I'd say 70-80% of A&M's commits have said playing in the SEC is a BIG influence. Have to keep winning though.. That you're correct about.
I don't believe for one second that the black angle has been played..doesn't need to be.
Posted on 1/7/14 at 7:29 pm to LSU2a
Much better recruiter than Mack.
Posted on 1/7/14 at 7:30 pm to burbank
Also.. There have been periods where A&M dominated for the top in state players ( besides the last 2 years) like 83-98 pretty much.
Sumlin has only recently pulled us out if the worst 10 year history of the program..
Sumlin has only recently pulled us out if the worst 10 year history of the program..
Posted on 1/7/14 at 7:38 pm to goatmilker
quote:Lot of short memories here. Mack used to be called February Coach of the Year for always having the top-ranked class. His problem was usually not living up to it on the field, until 05.
Much better recruiter than Mack.
Then he became arrogant and it wound up costing him his job.
quote:Jackie $herrill was a great recruiter at A&M.
Also.. There have been periods where A&M dominated for the top in state players ( besides the last 2 years) like 83-98 pretty much.
This post was edited on 1/7/14 at 7:41 pm
Posted on 1/7/14 at 8:31 pm to LSU2a
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Any ideas on what you think the future of recruiting in Texas looks like?
For LSU - not nearly as good. I think Texas and Charlie Strong plus Kevin Sumlin and A&M will all but close the door on Texas. Sure hope I'm wrong and have to eat these words.
Posted on 1/8/14 at 12:26 pm to West Central Tiger
Everyone on here keeps talking about how Strong will make it tough for us in Texas. That's going to hurt, but for the next year or two, Strong is going to be killing it in South Florida, where he almost solely stocked his Louisville teams. He has major presence in that area.
I think as time goes on, he will be pressed by the Texas Boosters to make sure he takes more Texas players, as UT Boosters have no taste for aTm and Baylor (and LSU) getting the top Texas players. That bodes badly for LSU, as Strong will be hitting two areas who do well for LSU OOS players.
This is why I keep saying LSU has to begin to recruit NATIONALLY in a big way while the Brand is hot. OOS is not just East Texas, Georgia, and South Florida. Lots of talent there but other schools going there as well. We need to get into the Virginia/Maryland area, up north where kids want to get out of the cold, and the West Coast. That will cost money, but if we just focus on one area (LA Basin or San Diego) it could be doable. Or we could just give that area up to Bama, Auburn, UT, etc.
The math is simple...Texas will be tougher, Florida will be tougher, if we do as well in LA in future years, it won't be enough. The teams that will go after everyone will be the ones in playoffs. Scrambling to fill holes in January ain't gonna work much longer.
This is not a nega-Tiger thing, ALL big time programs are facing this reality....
I think as time goes on, he will be pressed by the Texas Boosters to make sure he takes more Texas players, as UT Boosters have no taste for aTm and Baylor (and LSU) getting the top Texas players. That bodes badly for LSU, as Strong will be hitting two areas who do well for LSU OOS players.
This is why I keep saying LSU has to begin to recruit NATIONALLY in a big way while the Brand is hot. OOS is not just East Texas, Georgia, and South Florida. Lots of talent there but other schools going there as well. We need to get into the Virginia/Maryland area, up north where kids want to get out of the cold, and the West Coast. That will cost money, but if we just focus on one area (LA Basin or San Diego) it could be doable. Or we could just give that area up to Bama, Auburn, UT, etc.
The math is simple...Texas will be tougher, Florida will be tougher, if we do as well in LA in future years, it won't be enough. The teams that will go after everyone will be the ones in playoffs. Scrambling to fill holes in January ain't gonna work much longer.
This is not a nega-Tiger thing, ALL big time programs are facing this reality....
Posted on 1/8/14 at 1:14 pm to MetTiger
I think the Strong hiring might be a year to late. It doesnt help that Baylor has beaten Texas the past couple of years, OU showing dominance down the stretch into their bowl game. Texas Tech showing signs of life etc. 3 DT's just de-committed from UT today. Yes Strong might bring discipline but what he doesnt bring is recruiting knowledge in Texas. He mainly recruited from Florida and to sit here and say he will put up a fence around Texas is just dumb. There is to much talent in the state to keep everyone especially with national powerhouses in the SEC competing for recruits as well. Until another conference proves they can send more players to the league than the SEC just get ready for a recruiting battle for the best players between ATM/LSU/BAMA. Of course Texas will still get some kids because of their brand, but dont expect Strong to come in and make a splash. The lack of QB play and D line recruiting the past couple of seasons will put them back for a bit.
Posted on 1/8/14 at 1:23 pm to TouchDownThere
I think Strong is a good X's and O's coach, who seems to have NFL marked all over him. If he can just get the current players coached up UT will be much better. I think he will be at UT until Saban/Gruden/Cowher can't say no. Remember Red McCombs said something to the effect that money is no problem for UT football, and they had more money than the Vatican.
I still cringe that LSU had Mike Davis as a commit at one time, and flipped to UT. I can't imagine having Davis/Landry/Beckham all on the field at the same time with Mett this year. I'm not mad at Davis, he decided to stay home, but it sure didn't work out as well for him in Austin as it could have.
I still cringe that LSU had Mike Davis as a commit at one time, and flipped to UT. I can't imagine having Davis/Landry/Beckham all on the field at the same time with Mett this year. I'm not mad at Davis, he decided to stay home, but it sure didn't work out as well for him in Austin as it could have.
Posted on 1/8/14 at 2:03 pm to TigerNSac
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Personally, I think a solid year on the football field in 2014 will go a long way in recruiting, especially if we beat some of those schools head-to-head on the field.
This is always the most important aspect of these types of situations. As for Strong's effect on our Texas recruiting, that is tough. I don't see him shutting down the Tigers in Texas at all. I do see him targeting different players than Mack which will effect the individual recruiting battles. In other words, if he targets smaller, spread guys, then he will be recruiting against LSU less, etc.
In the end, I think that it will all come down to Strong being able to reclaim the "Big Brother" status over the other Texas schools. He will need to do this in order to close universities like LSU and other SEC powers out of Tx. I personally hope that he immediately jumps on Brown and gets him away from Bama because Brown is going to be a thorn in our sides for three full years.
Posted on 1/8/14 at 3:58 pm to TigerFan55555
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pre-madonna
FYI: Unless you're talking about something that happened more than 30 years ago, it's prima donna, not pre-Madonna.
I would agree that Strong won't have much impact on LSU's Texas recruiting. As others have pointed out, Texas is a huge state and the Horns can only take so many. The Horns are hoping that there will be two differences from Mack: (1) he won't have as many busts due to taking premature commitments (something which allowed Mack to get an edge over A&M when he started doing that in the late '90s, but which burned him late in his tenure more often than not); and (2) that Strong might cherry pick some recruits from Florida to fill areas of need (particularly on defense, where Texas high school talent sometimes comes up short due to 7-on-7 and the emphasis now placed on offense, a 180 degree change from what it was in pre-Madonna times where the triple option ruled the day).
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