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Wesley Yates III enters the portal
Posted on 4/9/24 at 9:04 pm
Posted on 4/9/24 at 9:04 pm
Was out all year at Washington due to injury but was the #43 overall prospect in 2022 and the #5 SG. Had LSU in his Final 2 Schools. Only picked Washington because of his Uncle who was on the coaching staff. I coached a ton of his older high school teammates and I feel very confident in us getting him baws. Especially with Stewart transferring.
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Posted on 4/9/24 at 9:06 pm to JWill409
Posted on 4/9/24 at 9:44 pm to JWill409
Love Yates's game and wish he would have chosen us in the ‘22 cycle, however I don't think McMahon is going to take another young unproven guard with only two scholarships available. We already have CG3 and vyctorius miller on board.
This post was edited on 4/9/24 at 10:18 pm
Posted on 4/10/24 at 5:07 am to tigersham
Well one’s a pg , the other’s a sg and we just lost Carlos Stewart to the portal. Yates is worth a look
Posted on 4/10/24 at 6:57 am to tigersham
After watching the tournament this year it is apparent to me that you can't win without elite guard play. Most teams play three guard rotations anyway.
If we cant get our top choice big man, don't reach bring Yates home.
Point Guard is still the number one priority though.
If we cant get our top choice big man, don't reach bring Yates home.
Point Guard is still the number one priority though.
Posted on 4/10/24 at 7:00 am to JWill409
We need a PG not another SG. We have no one to really handle the ball next season outside of Givens coming in.
PG and big man are my guesses as to who the last 2 portal players are we get
PG and big man are my guesses as to who the last 2 portal players are we get
Posted on 4/10/24 at 8:06 am to thunderbird1100
If the kid is as talented as his ranking coming out of HS, they really aren’t in a situation to turn that down. They can make the numbers work.
Posted on 4/10/24 at 8:29 am to tigersham
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with only two scholarships available
Serious ?, Does this even matter anymore since you could just "pay" for their school through NIL.
Posted on 4/10/24 at 9:04 am to tigersham
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Love Yates's game and wish he would have chosen us in the ‘22 cycle, however I don't think McMahon is going to take another young unproven guard with only two scholarships available.
Isn't it certainly possible that there will be some further attrition this offseason that opens up scholarships?
Posted on 4/10/24 at 9:18 am to Fun Bunch
It is 100% possible. However so far one area McMahon has been exceptional with is player retention and buy in. When it comes to Wilkinson and Stewart is seems more like they were processed to make space. There's just no way McMahon will put his offense into the hands of a true freshman and a sophomore who hasn't played a single college game especially in a season which it seems to be tournament or bust. The long list of guards we've contacted out of the portal have been those with high production at the mid major level, and proven power 5 talent. We need a game changer at the guard position and while Yates may be that later in his career, we can't afford to trust that he will be one in his first full season.
This post was edited on 4/10/24 at 9:20 am
Posted on 4/10/24 at 9:32 am to Tigerfan14
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If the kid is as talented as his ranking coming out of HS, they really aren’t in a situation to turn that down. They can make the numbers work.
We have 2 spots left for scholarship players, we know we need a big man, so that leaves 1 guard spot left. We cant use that on another SG, who is going to handle the PG spot next year? Givens a true freshman and Williams who clearly isn't a PG?
This is why we're bringing in PGs for visits. They got the 2 guard in Cam Carter already. We cant just magically make numbers work, we know we only have 2 scholarship spots left. We could take a 3rd guy and use NIL as a walk on but thats not going to get you a good player, it's gets you a Hunter Dean.
So just think about that for a second if you can get 1 of those 3 remaining players in on just NIL as a walk on, Yates can make it that way, but will he be willing to accept that, or do we do that for a PG we desperately need? How about an actual good big man, will an actual good big man accept NIL and no scholarship?
If the guy wants to walk on and get NIL for a year then go for it. But I wouldnt be wasting one of my last 2 scholarships on a completely unproven freshman at a position NOT of need when we have 2 very glaring positions of need.
This post was edited on 4/10/24 at 9:34 am
Posted on 4/10/24 at 10:45 am to thunderbird1100
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We cant just magically make numbers work, we know we only have 2 scholarship spots left.
As of now*
Posted on 4/10/24 at 10:59 am to thunderbird1100
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We cant just magically make numbers work, we know we only have 2 scholarship spots left.
You can magically process the bigs that you don’t trust, to make room for the better bigs we would hypothetically get. Collins is a career 2.6 ppg guy. Fountain is a 5th year player who is giving you 5 ppg. They shouldn’t be untouchables on the roster.
Again, if this guy has the talent, you can make things work. If he’s a developmental piece, then you don’t.
Posted on 4/10/24 at 11:00 am to Tigerfan14
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the kid is as talented as his ranking coming out of HS, they really aren’t in a situation to turn that down. They can make the numbers work.
Yep. He's more of a Jordan Wright type of player rather than a Mike Williams. He is definitely worth a roster spot, can play both G/F at this level.
Posted on 4/10/24 at 12:13 pm to JWill409
Not sure Yates would want to come even if MM was okay with having 2 of the same type of player with the same lack of experience. Not quite the same as having a JR/SR and a FR/SO of similar size and ability at the same position. If Miller hadn't switched back to LSU then Yates for sure. Now, not as realistic.
V. Miller is 6'5 with a 95.38 rating, #13 SG, #53 overall.
W. Yates is 6'4 with a 95.51 rating, #12 SG, #51 overall.
plus you have a 2 year player, T. Ward who is 6'6 with a recruit rating of 97.47, #11 G/F, #28 overall being in the mix for that 2/3 spot along with more experienced C. Carter and M. Williams at the 2 spot or 3 guard lineup as well. That's 5 players vying for minutes at just 2 positions. Yates won't come to a log jam like that especially after already missing a full season, and doubtful coach would create a log jam like that with a much bigger void at PG and C to fill and use NIL cash on.
V. Miller is 6'5 with a 95.38 rating, #13 SG, #53 overall.
W. Yates is 6'4 with a 95.51 rating, #12 SG, #51 overall.
plus you have a 2 year player, T. Ward who is 6'6 with a recruit rating of 97.47, #11 G/F, #28 overall being in the mix for that 2/3 spot along with more experienced C. Carter and M. Williams at the 2 spot or 3 guard lineup as well. That's 5 players vying for minutes at just 2 positions. Yates won't come to a log jam like that especially after already missing a full season, and doubtful coach would create a log jam like that with a much bigger void at PG and C to fill and use NIL cash on.
Posted on 4/10/24 at 1:25 pm to thunderbird1100
I think McMahon is kind of caught in a spot of not really knowing what he wants in terms of the make up of the team.
He came to LSU from Murray St. Prior to his last season or so there the model was to get less recruited/overlooked players in and development them into a good team over the course of 3, 4, 5 years. That approach is just not really feasible anymore with over 1,000 players transferring each season.
In year 1 he simply had to do the best he could to put together a significantly new roster.
Going in to year 2 he talked about how he wanted to "get older" with transfers. He's mentioned that college basketball as a whole is now "older" than it has been in a long time, maybe ever, with guys getting an extra covid year, guys staying in school longer because of NIL, 4th and 5th year mid-major players moving to major conference teams via transfer, etc. As a result, LSU had a relatively "old" roster with most of the roster being 3rd, 4th, 5th year players. Only Reed, Ward, Williams, and Chest (who didn't play) were 1st or 2nd year players. 9 of the 13 players were Juniors, Seniors, Grad Students.
As of now, the roster has only 5 players who are in their 3rd year or beyond (Reed, Ward, Fountain, Carter, Collins). He has 3 HS signees and two returning 2nd year guys. If he were to add Yates that would be six 1-2 year players on the roster. That would make next year's team the "youngest" roster he's had (in terms of experience). Given his preference to play older/experienced players, would he be more willing to give a bigger role to young players? That would be a complete 180 from just last year.
IMO, prior to coming to LSU he only knew the mid-major model as that is the only level he coached. The major conf. level was already different before NIL/freedom of transfer. Now it is wildly different and it appears he's still trying to figure out how to adapt.
Long story short, if he takes Yates he has to be willing to rely on younger players more. If he's not, then don't take a kid you don't possibly think can play important minutes. Use that scholarship to get a more experienced guy you trust.
He came to LSU from Murray St. Prior to his last season or so there the model was to get less recruited/overlooked players in and development them into a good team over the course of 3, 4, 5 years. That approach is just not really feasible anymore with over 1,000 players transferring each season.
In year 1 he simply had to do the best he could to put together a significantly new roster.
Going in to year 2 he talked about how he wanted to "get older" with transfers. He's mentioned that college basketball as a whole is now "older" than it has been in a long time, maybe ever, with guys getting an extra covid year, guys staying in school longer because of NIL, 4th and 5th year mid-major players moving to major conference teams via transfer, etc. As a result, LSU had a relatively "old" roster with most of the roster being 3rd, 4th, 5th year players. Only Reed, Ward, Williams, and Chest (who didn't play) were 1st or 2nd year players. 9 of the 13 players were Juniors, Seniors, Grad Students.
As of now, the roster has only 5 players who are in their 3rd year or beyond (Reed, Ward, Fountain, Carter, Collins). He has 3 HS signees and two returning 2nd year guys. If he were to add Yates that would be six 1-2 year players on the roster. That would make next year's team the "youngest" roster he's had (in terms of experience). Given his preference to play older/experienced players, would he be more willing to give a bigger role to young players? That would be a complete 180 from just last year.
IMO, prior to coming to LSU he only knew the mid-major model as that is the only level he coached. The major conf. level was already different before NIL/freedom of transfer. Now it is wildly different and it appears he's still trying to figure out how to adapt.
Long story short, if he takes Yates he has to be willing to rely on younger players more. If he's not, then don't take a kid you don't possibly think can play important minutes. Use that scholarship to get a more experienced guy you trust.
Posted on 4/10/24 at 1:35 pm to CohibaLady76
Just a year ago, we were complaining about guards, and now we are going to turn away a top 50 recruit? For what? This isn't 1996, teams especially in college run 3 guards and 2 forwards. This year we pushed the pace quite a bit and had an issue with our guards fatigued at the end of the year yet you are telling me we shouldn't take another kid that will for sure average 8-10ppg efficiently? Yates is way more polished than Ward was coming out of hs and he's also got size that Ward still doesn't have. That's why his game hasn't translated as much until this season. Size, release speed, and shooting off the dribble.
Miller will be the same as Ward. He's 170 soaking wet and he will be in an off guard role. He will get his arse thrown all around the court. Wesley has already been in a major d1 program, practicing with those guys. He's 210lbs, he's ready to go now.
It would be foolish not to take him. His teammate in high school is Terrance Arceneaux who plays at Houston and tore his ACL late in the year and also might consider the portal. 6'6 200 and was a Top 30 prospect. I'd take him too.
Miller will be the same as Ward. He's 170 soaking wet and he will be in an off guard role. He will get his arse thrown all around the court. Wesley has already been in a major d1 program, practicing with those guys. He's 210lbs, he's ready to go now.
It would be foolish not to take him. His teammate in high school is Terrance Arceneaux who plays at Houston and tore his ACL late in the year and also might consider the portal. 6'6 200 and was a Top 30 prospect. I'd take him too.
This post was edited on 4/10/24 at 1:37 pm
Posted on 4/10/24 at 1:52 pm to JWill409
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It would be foolish not to take him.
V. Miller may have gotten that spot. As of now, CMM still needs an experienced true PG and a replacement for Baker (the 2nd leading scorer). He is running out of scholarships.
Posted on 4/10/24 at 1:55 pm to jpainter6174
quote:You can do that in equivalency sports and some head count sports, but not in football or men's basketball. There are specific rules for when "recruited" players come in without scholarships, if they play a certain amount of time in their first year, they still count against the limit.
Serious ?, Does this even matter anymore since you could just "pay" for their school through NIL.
Even if NIL can pay for it, LSU's total cost of attendance before aid is about $35K, so you're gonna have to find at least that much more a year (coming in not on scholarship would probably also require a premium) in NIL donations. And we're not talking about junior year Dylan Crews here.
ETA: Disregard the first paragraph. I believe that rule only applies if they receive some other form of Institutional financial aid.
This post was edited on 4/10/24 at 2:03 pm
Posted on 4/10/24 at 1:55 pm to CatfishJohn
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As of now*
Nobody else is being expected to leave at this point. He likes who he has and is trying to go out and get a big, PG and maybe use a final spot on a NIL walk on pseudo scholarship player like Hunter Dean from this year.
I'm not saying it wont happen but I wouldnt plan on that happening. The Cook/Stewart news wasn't surprising at all.
This post was edited on 4/10/24 at 1:56 pm
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