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re: Should Les pull scholarship offers if kids decommit?
Posted on 1/12/14 at 11:52 am to RogerTheShrubber
Posted on 1/12/14 at 11:52 am to RogerTheShrubber
Hell no. LSU recruits high profile players who have many suitors. Their talent level and potential don't decrease if they decomitt. And there aren't guys of this caliber just waiting around for offers.
Posted on 1/12/14 at 11:53 am to LsuTool
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Depends in the situation.
Recruiting is far from black and white
This here
Depends if the kid is a man about it talks the the coaches about not being sure about his choice. Yeah leave the offer on the table with the understanding that the spot might get filled. If he is a dick about it then pull it and don't look back.
Posted on 1/12/14 at 12:05 pm to Geauxgurt
So should a recruit who has been promised a spot by Les Miles shite on him when Miles pulls the scholarship offer at the last minute. I'm talking about the kid that ended up at Auburn because his EE offer was pulled for the QB. Who didn't enroll either. So it should only be a one way street here according to some of you dickheads.
Posted on 1/12/14 at 12:16 pm to TeamLSU
quote:That whole episode pissed me off. Obviously, Kiel dicked LSU over. He also dicked Patrick Miller over by taking, and then skipping out on, his EE spot. And I do think some fault lies with Miles; he shouldn't have denied Miller the EE spot. It was a bad decision.
So should a recruit who has been promised a spot by Les Miles shite on him when Miles pulls the scholarship offer at the last minute. I'm talking about the kid that ended up at Auburn because his EE offer was pulled for the QB. Who didn't enroll either. So it should only be a one way street here according to some of you dickheads.
Here is the rub (or context rather) though... both were out of state kids. If Miller had been from LA, that would not have happened as per Staff's "preference".
Posted on 1/12/14 at 12:19 pm to ItsThatDude12
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Should Les pull scholarship offers if kids decommit?
This would be a horrible policy to implement and I hope it is not being used. It's moronic, dangerous and sends horrible message to recruits. Never burn a bridge because you never know when you might have to travel that bridge again in the future.
Posted on 1/12/14 at 12:21 pm to I20goon
I respectfully disagree with you goon, in that your word is YOUR WORD. By your explanation, it's ok to lie to out of state kids and not keep your word.
Posted on 1/12/14 at 12:28 pm to TeamLSU
what is the purpose of pulling someone's schollie? just continue to recruit and if you find a better player then that person could lose spot like hoootie did. no reason to publicly pull a schollie.
Posted on 1/12/14 at 12:38 pm to ItsThatDude12
Guess that's up to Les .
Posted on 1/12/14 at 12:38 pm to TeamLSU
quote:I did say it was a mistake on Miles' part.
By your explanation, it's ok to lie to out of state kids and not keep your word.
I only said he wouldn't have made that mistake if Miller had been from Louisiana. I didn't try and justify or condone it. Just the opposite.
ETA: just clarifying before I get hammered.
This post was edited on 1/12/14 at 12:45 pm
Posted on 1/12/14 at 12:53 pm to ItsThatDude12
This thread needs to die.
Posted on 1/12/14 at 12:57 pm to TeamLSU
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By your explanation, it's ok to lie to out of state kids and not keep your word.
Kids are going to act like kids but for an adult to revert to acting like a child by responding to juvenile antics with juvenile retaliation in response to a kid who acted like one is not a way to operate. If the kids want to act like that then let them, they're kids. Your the adult, act like one even in the face of immaturity. What's the point of going tit for tat with a child over them acting like what they are, a child? What does that say about you, the adult in this situation? Are you any better than the child and their actions by responding to the issue in this nature and what would doing so say about your character and leadership?
Just my two cents because I believe in being the bigger man in the situation and taking the high road. If that's what they want and how they want to act, fine thats their decision but to respond to their antics in similar fashion is just as immature as the kid who caused the situation in the first place.
Posted on 1/12/14 at 1:37 pm to TBoy
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Gee, I'm going to leave this up to Les and his coaches.
How very considerate of you.
Posted on 1/12/14 at 2:03 pm to ItsThatDude12
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Unless the player is some kind of 5 star can't miss recruit, I wish Les would cut all ties and move on.
So, Les should cut all ties... unless he shouldn't?
I'd imagine the staff does treat each case individually, based not only on talent level of the player, but on how much we need players at the position and the character of the player, including how openly/honestly they communicate where they are in the decision process, etc. But it's the nature of the game: the better the recruit, the more attention they get from schools across the country... regrettably. Some might be falling for a sales pitch if they decide to go, but others really do have more than just football in mind when they make their choice, and sometimes that means they're going to leave.
Kids who decommit or who seemingly favor the home school before picking otherwise at the last minute aren't necessarily intentionally leading the staff on and aren't necessarily liars. They might be, but it's just as likely they may have just changed their minds.
The worst part of the process is that fans scrutinize their every move and become obsessed with them to the point of being stalkers (and I mean that literally in some cases). When that much attention and emotion is devoted to the kid, if the kid leaves, it leaves the fans feeling like jilted lovers... and the fans retaliate with venom.
I don't say the above like I'm any better than anyone else (well, maybe some). I get drawn in, start spending more time on this board than I should and am disappointed when the kids don't pick LSU. Like others, I'm starting to look fondly back on how it used to be: maybe you heard LSU was in the running for a good recruit, or you simply heard after the fact that they signed a strong class that might be competing for championships down the road. It was exciting enough to know that the incoming talent was cause for optimism. The current over-saturation of information isn't proving more satisfying and seems to be causing way more angst and retaliation by spurned fans.
Posted on 1/12/14 at 3:16 pm to ItsThatDude12
LSU should offer kids earlier and without camp attendance. These are mostly Louisiana kids that our coaches can see several times a month. There's no reason Bama and ATM are offering our kids first. That's a darn shame.
Posted on 1/12/14 at 3:28 pm to RightHook
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no. just because your dealing with 17-18 year old kids doesnt mean you have to act like one,
So explain to me why a kid can look around at other schools and it is ok, but if that school decides to pull the scholarship to protect themselves it's not right. The kids should make their decision on school and stick by it.
Posted on 1/12/14 at 4:51 pm to JimmyHDeridderhigh
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LSU should offer kids earlier and without camp attendance.
Posted on 1/12/14 at 8:12 pm to JimmyHDeridderhigh
quote:Yes there is. They can offer every player in LA with no repercussions if they withdraw it later. Why is this so difficult for you to understand?
There's no reason Bama and ATM are offering our kids first. That's a darn shame.
Posted on 1/12/14 at 8:47 pm to ItsThatDude12
Unless you have kids from all over the country dying to play for your team, garnering all the local talent, and your team sits on the cutting edge of offensive innovation, i would say NO, Hell NO
Posted on 1/12/14 at 8:59 pm to Cincinnati Bowtie
quote:exactly!
Yes there is. They can offer every player in LA with no repercussions if they withdraw it later.
put it this way... it's easier to scavenge in our yard than hunt in their own.
oh, and let's re-visit this the next time Saban dickrides Les and offers a kid 2 days after LSU.
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