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Posted on 12/2/15 at 7:03 pm
Posted by BasilBogomil
Member since Dec 2012
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Posted on 12/2/15 at 7:03 pm
Just looked into Towles a little.

His stats at Kentucky in 2014 are better than anything Harris or Jennings have ever put up.

2014: Passing: 2718, 14 tds/9 ints. Rushing: 303, 6 TDs.

He's 6-5 and can obviously move.

Apparently he already graduated and can play right away.

What says the recruiting board?
Posted by GeauxPack81
Member since Dec 2009
10482 posts
Posted on 12/2/15 at 7:06 pm to
I've always thought he was a decent QB, but I know alot of the UK guys disagree. I think he's similar to Harris in that alot of the tools are there, he just hasn't put it together yet.
Posted by BillF
Monroe, LA
Member since Jan 2006
5035 posts
Posted on 12/2/15 at 7:08 pm to
At this point, I' d be fine with him. But in our offense, it would boil down to whether he can execute the toss dive. I wish I didn't feel that way.
Posted by rmnldr
Member since Oct 2013
38231 posts
Posted on 12/2/15 at 7:13 pm to
He's a product of Kentucky's system.
Posted by SouljaBreauxTellEm
Mizz
Member since Aug 2009
29343 posts
Posted on 12/2/15 at 7:32 pm to
absolutely no
Posted by Thurber
NWLA
Member since Aug 2013
15402 posts
Posted on 12/2/15 at 7:44 pm to
I always thought he was pretty good
Posted by SammyTiger
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Feb 2009
66582 posts
Posted on 12/2/15 at 8:07 pm to
quote:

His stats at Kentucky in 2014 are better than anything Harris or Jennings have ever put up.

2014: Passing: 2718, 14 tds/9 ints. Rushing: 303, 6 TDs.


he is also a RS Junior this year. So he has twice the experience Harris has, and the only west teams he paltered were Miss St and Auburn
Posted by PentagonTiger
Taylor Hall
Member since Dec 2008
1613 posts
Posted on 12/2/15 at 8:20 pm to
He plays in the air raid system at KY, so his stats will be conflated. Apparently he had some serious accuracy issues this season. At LSU, he wouldn't be attempting as many passes with fournette in the backfield and he would need to be accurate when throwing. He also has not played under center, only from shotgun
Posted by LSUFreek
Greater New Orleans
Member since Jan 2007
14778 posts
Posted on 12/2/15 at 8:25 pm to
Still worth a shot.

Right now, we have a two QB's with accuracy issues.

Maybe third time's the charm.
Posted by UnAnon
Breaux Bridge
Member since Sep 2013
6433 posts
Posted on 12/2/15 at 9:27 pm to
Air Raids offense bro.
Posted by saintsfan22
baton rouge
Member since May 2006
71662 posts
Posted on 12/2/15 at 9:29 pm to
Why ignore his 2015 stats?
Posted by BasilBogomil
Member since Dec 2012
6095 posts
Posted on 12/2/15 at 11:58 pm to
Air raid or not, this is at Kentucky with its inferior overall talent against SEC competition.

quote:

Why ignore his 2015 stats?


Best v. Best Comparison

But his 2015 is actually pretty comparable to Harris and Jennings:

Patrick Towles (2015): 2178, 9tds, 14ints. Rushing: 64 yrs, 5tds (11 Games)

Jennings: 1611, 12tds, 7ints Rushing: 292, 0tds

Harris: 1900, 12tds, 5ints Rushing: 185, 3tds (11 Games)
Posted by LSU_Tigahs66
Member since Aug 2014
678 posts
Posted on 12/3/15 at 12:19 am to
Posted by BasilBogomil
Member since Dec 2012
6095 posts
Posted on 12/3/15 at 1:15 am to
Posted by lsuhou74
Houston
Member since Jan 2015
3861 posts
Posted on 12/3/15 at 3:30 am to
Hell I say bring him in!!! But they won't....
Posted by monsterballads
Make LSU Great Again
Member since Jun 2013
29267 posts
Posted on 12/3/15 at 6:52 am to
quote:

he just hasn't put it together yet.


he turns 22 next month. late bloomer eh?
Posted by LSU_Saints_Hornets
Uptown NO,LA
Member since Jan 2013
9739 posts
Posted on 12/3/15 at 7:21 am to
quote:

His stats at Kentucky in 2014 are better than anything Harris or Jennings have ever put up.




Patrick Towles Stats



Brandon Harris Stats

In three years of playing Towles has 24 tds and 24 ints. He has regressed a lot in 2015 throwing 9 tds and 14 ints. He has been sacked in his career a total of 65 times.


Harris has a td to int ratio of 18:7 and has been sacked 20 times.

In 2015 Towles threw the ball 326 times for 2148 yards.

Harris threw the ball 254 times for 1904 yards.

Why would we take a Redshirt JR qb that is no better than our sophomore?
This post was edited on 12/3/15 at 7:23 am
Posted by BasilBogomil
Member since Dec 2012
6095 posts
Posted on 12/3/15 at 8:49 am to
quote:

Why would we take a Redshirt JR qb that is no better than our sophomore?


I just thought it was worth discussing. I think/hope Harris is the guy... BUT...

LSU needs options at QB. Towles has shown some ability, against SEC competition, surrounded by a relatively poor supporting cast (OL, WRs, RBs TEs).

I don't really think Towles is the answer for LSU, but, considering the QB play the last two seasons, I am willing to consider damn near anything.

Posted by Salviati
Member since Apr 2006
5541 posts
Posted on 12/3/15 at 9:50 am to
Basil,

When I compare QB stats I look at five things, four of which are ratios:

(1) QB Rating also called QB Efficiency [not to be confused ESPN'S QBR which is complete garbage],

(2) Completion percentage,

(3) Yards Per Attempt,

(4) TD to INT ratio, and

(5) year in college.

I don't look at gross stats like total passing yards or total TDs because factors such as injuries, offensive scheme, and win/loss record have too big an influence on gross numbers, and those non-QB talent factors can obscure proper analysis.

I didn't follow Towles this season, so I have no preconception on whether he's any good or not.

So let me take a look at him and compare him to Harris:

Brandon Harris 2015
(1) QB Rating: 127.77
(2) Comp%: 53.1%
(3) YPA: 7.5
(4) TD to INT ratio: 2.4
(5) True So.

Patrick Towles 2015
(1) QB Rating: 112.01
(2) Comp%: 56.1%
(3) YPA: 6.6
(4) TD to INT ratio: .6
(5) RS Jr.

Towles does NOT compare favorably to Harris.

My main factor, efficiency is higher for Harris by over 15 points.

I look at Comp% and YPA in tandem, a higher YPA usually justifies a lower Comp% because a short pass scheme (West Coast) usually results in more completions while a vertical scheme usually results in fewer completions. Towles has a higher Comp%, but it's not that much higher, particularly considering the YPA. I like Harris better here.

The TD to INT ratio STRONGLY favors Harris. Towles looks especially bad. I really don't want a QB who throws more INTs than TDs.

Harris is about to start his third year. He's only started for one year. Third and fourth years are big. Towles completed his fourth year in college and his second year starting. I don't see much upside at this point.


Some posts in this thread seem to suggest that Towles had a better 2014 than 2015. So let's look at his 2014 season:

Patrick Towles 2014
(1) QB Rating: 122.51
(2) Comp%: 57.3%
(3) YPA: 6.9
(4) TD to INT ratio: 1.5
(5) RS So.

Towles does NOT compare favorably to Harris in his 2014 season either. It's closer in 2014 than 2015, but Harris still looks better.


If it's up to me (and I know that it's not), I pass on Towles. That's what my analysis shows. He's been in college for four years already. Harris has been in for just two years. If LSU takes a transfer QB, it should be someone other than Towles.
Posted by BasilBogomil
Member since Dec 2012
6095 posts
Posted on 12/3/15 at 11:10 am to
Appreciate the analysis

quote:

Towles does NOT compare favorably to Harris in his 2014 season either. It's closer in 2014 than 2015, but Harris still looks better.


Fair enough.

But, imo, when you factor in rushing stats (e.g. Towles in 2014) and take into account that Kentucky hasn't had a five star wide receiver (or any other players) since the Nixon administration (and LSU has multiple), I think Towles compares pretty favorably.


quote:

If it's up to me (and I know that it's not), I pass on Towles. That's what my analysis shows. He's been in college for four years already. Harris has been in for just two years. If LSU takes a transfer QB, it should be someone other than Towles.


I honestly think Harris will have a great junior year and none of this will matter.

Further, I was never advocating that we take Towles, just thought it was worth discussing (and I think we have done that ).
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