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re: Noah Dickerson will visit Texas, cal, lsu and Washington
Posted on 5/22/15 at 8:11 am to LSUtiger89
Posted on 5/22/15 at 8:11 am to LSUtiger89
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So have we gotten anyone that we have rode for? I feel everytime "we ridin'" comes up it's the kiss of death!
But in all seriousness, I have no clue, it's just fun
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Rumor is SEC will block him from other SEC schools or he would have to sit out year which I can't see him doing
Pretty sure the SEC can't do that. If Florida released him from his scholarship, he can go anywhere without any penalty
This post was edited on 5/22/15 at 8:13 am
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Posted on 5/22/15 at 8:16 am to GeauxAggie972
Any idea of the order in which he is visiting?
Posted on 5/22/15 at 8:17 am to nicholastiger
With coaching change he should be able to go to another SEC school but Culotta indicated the SEC may step in and deny
Posted on 5/22/15 at 9:01 am to nicholastiger
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With coaching change he should be able to go to another SEC school but Culotta indicated the SEC may step in and deny
I just don't see how they can do that. If you're released from your scholarship, it's like you're just a normal recruit all over again and should be able to attend wherever.
I would imagine it wouldn't take long for the NCAA to overrule that if he did in fact come here, but then again, they love to take their good ole time with anything that is brought to them so who knows
Posted on 5/22/15 at 9:07 am to nicholastiger
Oh, well if Jordy Culotta said it it must be true. Some of you are so damn basic
This post was edited on 5/22/15 at 9:08 am
Posted on 5/22/15 at 9:17 am to ALT F4
Look up SEC Grant and Aid rules if you want. Essentially, he signed one therefore SEC won't allow him to play for an SEC team this coming year outside of the team he signed one with.
Posted on 5/22/15 at 9:19 am to Coach D
Why don't you link it? I cannot think of any time when a kid wasn't allowed to go where he wanted when the coach quit before the kid ever arrived on campus. Florida basically deceived him
Posted on 5/22/15 at 9:26 am to ALT F4
It's not on Florida, its on the SEC. They would have to grant him a waiver to be allowed to play for LSU this coming year. 
Posted on 5/22/15 at 9:28 am to SouthOfSouth
You guys keep saying this but would someone link the damn rule? I mean hell, I'm not saying I don't believe you but produce SOMETHING that says that
Posted on 5/22/15 at 9:36 am to ALT F4
There is an amazing feature you're using called the internet. It gives you access to search for just about anything you could imagine. It's okay to go out and do a search on your own. We won't have our feelings hurt if you don't rely on every piece of information to come from someone else's work. I promise.
Posted on 5/22/15 at 9:41 am to ALT F4
LINK
This may be part of it. There is precedent for this situation and the player had to sit out a year. I don't consider myself an expert on transfer rules, just repeating what others have told me.
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a student-athlete who transfers from one SEC institution to another SEC institution must automatically serve a one-year residence requirement prior to being eligible for competition at the second SEC institution. In addition, the student-athlete will be charged with one year of eligibility in all SEC sports. The SEC institution to which the student-athlete transfers shall not offer, provide or arrange for the student-athlete to receive any athletically-related financial aid during the time the student-athlete is serving the year in residence.
This may be part of it. There is precedent for this situation and the player had to sit out a year. I don't consider myself an expert on transfer rules, just repeating what others have told me.
This post was edited on 5/22/15 at 9:43 am
Posted on 5/22/15 at 9:46 am to SouthOfSouth
But it's not a transfer though, he was released from his scholarship and was never on Florida, so thus he never became a student technically
Posted on 5/22/15 at 9:48 am to SouthOfSouth
The OT, Womack, signed financial aid papers to LSU before eventually signing with Alabama.
Sure, he never actually signed here, but he isn't sitting out a year at Alabama. Believe that.
Sure, he never actually signed here, but he isn't sitting out a year at Alabama. Believe that.
Posted on 5/22/15 at 9:52 am to Dan Bilzerian
Pretty sure this is what would apply to him since this is the only thing I think he has signed:
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Getting an NLI Release
If you are transferring after finishing an academic year at a school, the National Letter of Intent you may have signed with the school does not impact the transfer, since the NLI will be fulfilled. If you signed an NLI and want to transfer before finishing your freshman year, then you will need a release from the NLI in addition to permission to contact other schools and/or permission to use the one-time transfer exception.
While the NLI is in effect, it can impact a transfer in two ways. First, the NLI includes a recruiting ban, so other schools may not recruit you until you are released from that ban. Second, the NLI includes a penalty if you do not attend the school you signed with for one academic year. If you do not fulfill the NLI and enroll in another NLI school, you may not compete for one year and you lose one season of eligibility in all sports.
To get a release from the National Letter of Intent, you must use the release form on the NLI website. After you fill out your section of the form, you send a copy of the form to two places: your school’s athletic department offices and to the NLI offices at the NCAA Eligibility Center. Once you send the form, the athletic department must respond within 30 days. There are three options for them to respond:
No release – This means you are not released from the NLI and all of its provisions are still in effect.
Complete release – This means you are released from all of the NLI’s provisions.
Removal of the recruiting ban – This means the recruiting ban is lifted, but the NLI penalty is still in effect if you do not fulfill the NLI.
NLI releases cannot be school-specific, like permission to contact. So you cannot be released to one school but not another. Because of this, many schools will first remove the recruiting ban, but may not grant a complete release until the school knows where an athlete plans to transfer.
If a release is not granted, a student-athlete has 30 days to appeal to the NLI Policy and Review Committee (rather than to a group at the school). If the student-athlete losses that appeal, there is a second appeal to the NLI Appeals Committee. Each appeal takes approximately six to eight weeks to get a decision.
This post was edited on 5/22/15 at 9:53 am
Posted on 5/22/15 at 9:54 am to SouthOfSouth
SOS
I'm not denying anything you said, but the information in your link is a bit confusing. It states:
Did the SEC just adopt the Pac 10 (12?) constitution? Does the SEC not have its own bylaws?
Again, not denying that the rule exists. The bolded part just gave me pause. It might just be a bad proof-reading job on UGA's part.
In any event, I would have to think LSU had already reached out to the appropriate folks to determine whether or not the kid would be eligible next year at LSU or not. Otherwise, it wouldn't make a lot of sense for LSU to recruit him knowing he would not be eligible next year. Moreover, I doubt the kid would chose to sit out a year just to come to LSU rather than go to one of the other schools on his list and play immediately.
I'm not denying anything you said, but the information in your link is a bit confusing. It states:
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Per Pac-10 Constitution 7-3-b, a student-athlete who transfers from one SEC institution to another SEC institution must automatically serve a one-year residence requirement prior to being eligible for competition at the second SEC institution. In addition, the student-athlete will be charged with one year of eligibility in all SEC sports. The SEC institution to which the student-athlete transfers shall not offer, provide or arrange for the student-athlete to receive any athletically-related financial aid during the time the student-athlete is serving the year in residence.
Did the SEC just adopt the Pac 10 (12?) constitution? Does the SEC not have its own bylaws?
Again, not denying that the rule exists. The bolded part just gave me pause. It might just be a bad proof-reading job on UGA's part.
In any event, I would have to think LSU had already reached out to the appropriate folks to determine whether or not the kid would be eligible next year at LSU or not. Otherwise, it wouldn't make a lot of sense for LSU to recruit him knowing he would not be eligible next year. Moreover, I doubt the kid would chose to sit out a year just to come to LSU rather than go to one of the other schools on his list and play immediately.
Posted on 5/22/15 at 9:55 am to Brunedog
It's fappening
Posted on 5/22/15 at 10:02 am to Alt26
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I'm not denying anything you said, but the information in your link is a bit confusing. It states:
I know. I don't have an actual copy of the transfer bylaws, but that came from a georgia site...
I don't know why is says pac10 but the rest of that does stipulate SEC to SEC transfers.
I'm sure LSU is doing their homework on the situation.
Posted on 5/22/15 at 10:03 am to GeauxAggie972
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Getting an NLI Release
If you are transferring after finishing an academic year at a school, the National Letter of Intent you may have signed with the school does not impact the transfer, since the NLI will be fulfilled. If you signed an NLI and want to transfer before finishing your freshman year, then you will need a release from the NLI in addition to permission to contact other schools and/or permission to use the one-time transfer exception.
While the NLI is in effect, it can impact a transfer in two ways. First, the NLI includes a recruiting ban, so other schools may not recruit you until you are released from that ban. Second, the NLI includes a penalty if you do not attend the school you signed with for one academic year. If you do not fulfill the NLI and enroll in another NLI school, you may not compete for one year and you lose one season of eligibility in all sports.
To get a release from the National Letter of Intent, you must use the release form on the NLI website. After you fill out your section of the form, you send a copy of the form to two places: your school’s athletic department offices and to the NLI offices at the NCAA Eligibility Center. Once you send the form, the athletic department must respond within 30 days. There are three options for them to respond:
No release – This means you are not released from the NLI and all of its provisions are still in effect.
Complete release – This means you are released from all of the NLI’s provisions.
Removal of the recruiting ban – This means the recruiting ban is lifted, but the NLI penalty is still in effect if you do not fulfill the NLI.
NLI releases cannot be school-specific, like permission to contact. So you cannot be released to one school but not another. Because of this, many schools will first remove the recruiting ban, but may not grant a complete release until the school knows where an athlete plans to transfer.
If a release is not granted, a student-athlete has 30 days to appeal to the NLI Policy and Review Committee (rather than to a group at the school). If the student-athlete losses that appeal, there is a second appeal to the NLI Appeals Committee. Each appeal takes approximately six to eight weeks to get a decision.
Those are NCAA Rules. The rule in question is an SEC rule.
Posted on 5/22/15 at 10:04 am to SouthOfSouth
I just thought there was different rules in place from a situation like his, where he hasn't even stepped foot on campus, compared to a normal transfer who just wants more playing time
Posted on 5/22/15 at 10:05 am to GeauxAggie972
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I just thought there was different rules in place from a situation like his, where he hasn't even stepped foot on campus, compared to a normal transfer who just wants more playing time
I totally believe there are. Just didn't want to get your hopes up that he is safe because those allow it.
He is good on that rule which is why he can transfer out of the SEC without any problems. The problem is an SEC NLI Transfer rule. I have heard (forgot the example) of a player who had to sit a year for having a NLI Transfer to another SEC school.
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