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re: Landon Collins to Willis, Get out of Louisiana
Posted on 1/3/14 at 4:14 pm to LSUGoo
Posted on 1/3/14 at 4:14 pm to LSUGoo
You watch the sugar bowl last night ?
Still call him a baller ?
You better hurry and get an appointment at the Eye Doctor in Monroe, he got abused last night, all night!!
You see him looking up at the screen dumbfounded!!
He wouldn't be on the field unless Sunseri got hurt!!
That's a fact!!!
Still call him a baller ?
You better hurry and get an appointment at the Eye Doctor in Monroe, he got abused last night, all night!!
You see him looking up at the screen dumbfounded!!
He wouldn't be on the field unless Sunseri got hurt!!
That's a fact!!!
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Posted on 1/3/14 at 4:15 pm to Tony Tiger89
Yeah.. If Sunseri does not get hurt... He does not see the field. He is a ok player but elite is laughable.
Posted on 1/3/14 at 4:16 pm to BayouBengal0505
I will not put myself in a position to defend that piece of shite, He is a ball hawking sure tackling strong saftey..Bama's defense in general isn't built to handle speed offenses, don't want to put that on one player...
Posted on 1/3/14 at 4:29 pm to LSUGoo
quote:
Guys, I do not appreciate at all the way LC handled his recruiting and LSU last year; it sickens me...with that said, the kid can flat out ball...Look at our starting safeties this year..he's a player..
A bad bounce last night gave his burnt arse an int last night but every other time he got roasted, not so lucky. Good athlete, yes. Mentally elite, no. He better improve his subliminal or a 7-11 in TT is his future
Posted on 1/3/14 at 4:54 pm to TheEye
From the original post...
It has been brought up. What hasn't been brought up is exactly what Landon told Gerald. We will likely never know that, and while I honestly suspect at least some of the posts in this thread are actually Bama trolls, I think any true LSU fan having such a strong emotional response to Landon without knowing what he actually said seems motivated by either self-centered frustration (understandable, I guess, if you're young and lack life experience) or by an inability to comprehend the possible dynamics of a mature relationship (for those with limited mental faculties who can't consider more than one point of view).
For example, there is a world of difference between...
"Hey Gerald, I don't like LSU / those a-holes on tigerdroppings keep talking crap about me. Your choice, but I say screw them; I'd rather you come to Bama with me, but if you don't want to do that, go to UF."
and
"Hey Gerald, I know there's pressure to stay home, but it really is your choice little brother... don't let the pressure be what makes you decide. Just choose what you feel is right for you. If that's LSU, it's LSU; if it's UF, then choose UF."
Either one of these, or a million variations in between, could lead Gerald to state that his brother "basically" told him to go to UF. And consciously or not, Gerald bringing that up at all-- unless directly asked what his brother thought-- may be a way for him to deal with potential guilt for leaving the home state. To be clear, I don't know if he feels any guilt, but it is a possibility.
To the posters who made the the following comments:
None of you know anything. You hear the incomplete story that Landon & Gerald spoke, you don't know any context, and you're simply jumping to conclusions. I wouldn't care, except I've seen on this board too many times when people with similarly small minded thinking add their uninformed two cents, the next small minded person ends up reading it and taking it for truth because it suits their own selfish "to heck with ___" mentality. Thankfully, the athletes themselves, who are under the pressure to make these decisions and face backlash, often show much greater sportsmanship towards the fans and towards each other than the petty sentiments bandied about on here. If you think a few of those athletes show pettiness in return, then understand that you reap what you sow. If you're petty to others, they might just reciprocate.
As to the poster who included this comment:
This is the most unintelligent and uninformed opinion on the thread-- congratulations!
1) Collins was widely considered a well behaved, quiet and humble kid throughout his recruitment.
2) I have not seen or heard of any thuggish behavior at any time from Collins. Enlighten me if I'm wrong.
The closest I've heard to a complaint is that "the media" said Collins was looking forward to the LSU game because he felt the fans in La. mistreated him. I'm sure very few did. But there was certainly no lack of people here verbally abusing him as they are again. I'm sure some of it is Bama trolls, but undoubtedly some are supposed LSU fans. And I'm sure Nick had someone printing every negative comment here to have him read, which likely did get under his skin.
3) Not choosing to go to college where your mother wants you to go to college does not in any way, shape or form make someone a thug. If your parents are doctors and want you to become one, are you a thug for not being interested in becoming a doctor? If your parents own a small store and want you to take over, but you have a passion for science and want to become a doctor, are you a thug if you pursue your passion?
I speak from experience on this one. My own mom had an old world sensibility and wanted me to stay home to be doted on. I joined the Marines against her wishes. I then went to the the Naval Academy against her wishes. I have not met anyone in my professional life to this point that considers my decisions to be thuggish.
I wanted Collins and Willis to commit to LSU as much as anyone. I was disappointed when they didn't. Every time they make a mistake that I see or when LSU burns them in a game, etc. I will be more pleased than I would be if it were just some other player. But some of the things said in these threads goes beyond being a passionate fan and beyond just uninformed douchiness-- it's classless.
quote:
Probably has been brought up but Willis said in an interview his brother basically told him don't go to LSU.
It has been brought up. What hasn't been brought up is exactly what Landon told Gerald. We will likely never know that, and while I honestly suspect at least some of the posts in this thread are actually Bama trolls, I think any true LSU fan having such a strong emotional response to Landon without knowing what he actually said seems motivated by either self-centered frustration (understandable, I guess, if you're young and lack life experience) or by an inability to comprehend the possible dynamics of a mature relationship (for those with limited mental faculties who can't consider more than one point of view).
For example, there is a world of difference between...
"Hey Gerald, I don't like LSU / those a-holes on tigerdroppings keep talking crap about me. Your choice, but I say screw them; I'd rather you come to Bama with me, but if you don't want to do that, go to UF."
and
"Hey Gerald, I know there's pressure to stay home, but it really is your choice little brother... don't let the pressure be what makes you decide. Just choose what you feel is right for you. If that's LSU, it's LSU; if it's UF, then choose UF."
Either one of these, or a million variations in between, could lead Gerald to state that his brother "basically" told him to go to UF. And consciously or not, Gerald bringing that up at all-- unless directly asked what his brother thought-- may be a way for him to deal with potential guilt for leaving the home state. To be clear, I don't know if he feels any guilt, but it is a possibility.
To the posters who made the the following comments:
quote:
Because he's afraid of his brother making LSU better.
It's been the back and forth banter between Landon and LSU fans. He wanted to do all he could to not let LSU fans have the satisfaction of his brother playing there/or compete against him.
Its become personal for him.
I think losing Gerald and Speedy really is as simple as this:
They wanted to "get back" at LSU.
None of you know anything. You hear the incomplete story that Landon & Gerald spoke, you don't know any context, and you're simply jumping to conclusions. I wouldn't care, except I've seen on this board too many times when people with similarly small minded thinking add their uninformed two cents, the next small minded person ends up reading it and taking it for truth because it suits their own selfish "to heck with ___" mentality. Thankfully, the athletes themselves, who are under the pressure to make these decisions and face backlash, often show much greater sportsmanship towards the fans and towards each other than the petty sentiments bandied about on here. If you think a few of those athletes show pettiness in return, then understand that you reap what you sow. If you're petty to others, they might just reciprocate.
As to the poster who included this comment:
quote:
Collins is and always was a Thug POS... anyone who disses momma like that is trash.
This is the most unintelligent and uninformed opinion on the thread-- congratulations!
1) Collins was widely considered a well behaved, quiet and humble kid throughout his recruitment.
2) I have not seen or heard of any thuggish behavior at any time from Collins. Enlighten me if I'm wrong.
The closest I've heard to a complaint is that "the media" said Collins was looking forward to the LSU game because he felt the fans in La. mistreated him. I'm sure very few did. But there was certainly no lack of people here verbally abusing him as they are again. I'm sure some of it is Bama trolls, but undoubtedly some are supposed LSU fans. And I'm sure Nick had someone printing every negative comment here to have him read, which likely did get under his skin.
3) Not choosing to go to college where your mother wants you to go to college does not in any way, shape or form make someone a thug. If your parents are doctors and want you to become one, are you a thug for not being interested in becoming a doctor? If your parents own a small store and want you to take over, but you have a passion for science and want to become a doctor, are you a thug if you pursue your passion?
I speak from experience on this one. My own mom had an old world sensibility and wanted me to stay home to be doted on. I joined the Marines against her wishes. I then went to the the Naval Academy against her wishes. I have not met anyone in my professional life to this point that considers my decisions to be thuggish.
I wanted Collins and Willis to commit to LSU as much as anyone. I was disappointed when they didn't. Every time they make a mistake that I see or when LSU burns them in a game, etc. I will be more pleased than I would be if it were just some other player. But some of the things said in these threads goes beyond being a passionate fan and beyond just uninformed douchiness-- it's classless.
Posted on 1/3/14 at 5:00 pm to epbart
quote:
epbart
some of the boys really struck a nerve huh?
Tip: Not many here will read a wall of words.
This post was edited on 1/3/14 at 5:02 pm
Posted on 1/3/14 at 5:01 pm to Breadstick Gun
Posted on 1/3/14 at 5:12 pm to Breadstick Gun
quote:
some of the boys really struck a nerve huh?
The admins have done a better job of policing the trolls as of late. But the BS has been getting a bit out of hand since yesterday. I refrained from replying in a couple other threads, but this thread took an especially bad turn and caught me with a little time on my hands.
quote:
Tip: Not many here will read a wall of words.
When I make long, reasoned posts, I often kill threads. In this case, that wouldn't be a bad thing.
Posted on 1/3/14 at 5:18 pm to epbart
Posted on 1/3/14 at 5:21 pm to epbart
quote:
The admins have done a better job of policing the trolls as of late. But the BS has been getting a bit out of hand since yesterday. I refrained from replying in a couple other threads, but this thread took an especially bad turn and caught me with a little time on my hands.
I'm not saying I don't agree that some people take it too far, but Landon's recruitment and some of the things he's said since haven't helped his image.
Posted on 1/3/14 at 6:17 pm to Breadstick Gun
quote:
Landon's recruitment and some of the things he's said since haven't helped his image
I'm far away from it all, but followed his recruitment as closely as I could at the time. In my admittedly uninformed opinion, I didn't think he did anything bad during the recruitment. He liked Bama as it was(okay, that is bad in it's own right) but Bama found the weak spot-- his girlfriend-- then set her up with a job in the athletic dept. (if I remember correctly) to sew him up. Despite that, I really feel like LSU, (especially Eric Reid) pretty much flipped him on his last visit. But the girlfriend worked him over pretty hard in the days leading to his announcement and broke him so that he stayed with Bama. I might hate that Bama won the battle, and hate the BS game bama played, hate how that game made LSU look like it got outmaneuvered, and I question Landon for getting sucked into that mess, but I don't hate him for choosing that sales pitch or wish ill on him.
As for after he chose bama, a LOT of bad things were said about him on here-- much of it as out of line or worse than the comments I called out. I feel like he faced more backlash on here than Joe McKnight did, and based on comments by McKnight, I think McKnight was stringing LSU along without any intent on committing in comparison to Collins, who really considered it (imo).I don't know for sure, but have to thing bama made sure he saw the worst of it to sour him on potentially turning. If so, again, it's a shame he let himself be swayed by others, but I would somewhat understand him getting pissed off. It's easy for me to say I would be more mature if I was in Landon's shoes... but I haven't dealt with it.
I've seen little snippets here and there that he's upset or grumbled something back in reply to the backlash against him. I don't think he deserved that much backlash to begin with, so again, I somewhat understand if he talks a little smack back. But I will say, to the extent he has talked any smack in return, it's not the most mature response, so I agree with you that he hasn't helped his image here.
All that being said, my motivation to reply in this thread at all is specifically in response to the mean-spirited poison that clueless people are spewing on here, which does diminish the board in many ways.
Posted on 1/3/14 at 7:54 pm to PurpleAndGold86
quote:
Muschamp said
WTF does he know?? I can look at their games from this season and know they sucked, and will likely continue to suck next season too.
Posted on 1/3/14 at 8:08 pm to Camp Randall
nothing i saw last night made me disappointed we didnt get Collins.
0 cares
0 cares
Posted on 1/3/14 at 8:20 pm to epbart
quote:
epbart
It was the timing and timing is everything in life. Had we won the BCS national championship, the backlash on Landon Collins would have been much less.
I think that Willis and Noil strung Frank Wilson along on purpose (based on the information out there). Their motivation seems to have been to get payback on LSU and its fans for the treatment of Collins and Ellis respectively.
Neither one of us will ever know for sure and at the end of the day it doesn't really matter.
You have a measured and reasonable approach, although a little verbose
Posted on 1/3/14 at 8:23 pm to rohinaz
I respect all of these posters who are smart enough to see that Landon is an elite player. How can you say you would not love to have him?
Posted on 1/3/14 at 8:26 pm to EricSilver26
quote:
I respect all of these posters who are smart enough to see that Landon is an elite player. How can you say you would not love to have him?
I think he is a great athlete and good in run support, but looked pretty bad last night (except for that athletic interception).
I most certainly wish he had come to LSU and think he has a great future as a SS. His coverage skills leave a lot to be desired though.
Posted on 1/3/14 at 8:33 pm to BasilBogomil
He was elite last night? and vs Auburn? and vs LSU? I could prob keep going.... I would of loved for him to come to LSU too but he is far from playing elite right now. Cheers buddy.
This post was edited on 1/3/14 at 8:35 pm
Posted on 1/3/14 at 8:41 pm to epbart
TL'DR
Some of what you wrote is spot on, but you're forgetting that most LSU fans considered LC a Bama guy months before.
Then a few days before his announcement he started instigating shite by telling people he was going to rep the boot and commit to LSU.
Point is LC brought on some of this shite by how he handled himself. He could have been a bigger man about it, but he wanted drama. Well that's what he's going to keep getting.
Some of what you wrote is spot on, but you're forgetting that most LSU fans considered LC a Bama guy months before.
Then a few days before his announcement he started instigating shite by telling people he was going to rep the boot and commit to LSU.
Point is LC brought on some of this shite by how he handled himself. He could have been a bigger man about it, but he wanted drama. Well that's what he's going to keep getting.
Posted on 1/3/14 at 10:48 pm to BasilBogomil
quote:
Their motivation seems to have been to get payback on LSU and its fans for the treatment of Collins and Ellis respectively.
I clearly don't understand the Ellis buthurt by Noil and Willis. LSU had an huge haul at the DB position last year. Maybe Les should have took Ellis if it would have meant Noil and Willis would have followed and then processed him a la Saban.
Posted on 1/3/14 at 11:00 pm to BasilBogomil
quote:
I think that Willis and Noil strung Frank Wilson along on purpose (based on the information out there). Their motivation seems to have been to get payback on LSU and its fans for the treatment of Collins and Ellis respectively.
Well, I guess when you make a decision like that, the decision is in essence never to return....
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