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re: Jimmy Detail is on the warpath...

Posted on 5/3/16 at 1:39 pm to
Posted by beauchristopher
new orleans
Member since Jan 2008
65954 posts
Posted on 5/3/16 at 1:39 pm to
Hey, he's passionate and stands up for something greater than himself. Good for him. This is his area of expertise. So I won't question it.

At first I felt like this was some really random incident.. but seems like it happens often.

I couldn't understand what motive or why a coach would do this.. but there's always some sort of strange reasoning (in another person's head) Perhaps not to let the kids get a big head.. perhaps just more control type of situation..

I don't think it's right to hold out on the players.. this is about their future and if they want to start weighing their options.. they shouldn't have a coach hold out on them the info because he believe it's right.
This post was edited on 5/3/16 at 1:42 pm
Posted by BigEdLSU
All around the south
Member since Sep 2010
20268 posts
Posted on 5/3/16 at 1:39 pm to
Again how do you propose to get the address of a minor legally?
Posted by Dagoose
Knoxville TN
Member since Nov 2014
541 posts
Posted on 5/3/16 at 1:47 pm to
Can coaches reach out to kids directly, or must they go through the coach?
Posted by sicboy
Because Awesome
Member since Nov 2010
77586 posts
Posted on 5/3/16 at 1:55 pm to
Jimmy definitely comes across as being all about the kids. I asked him about if his twitter feed is a nightmare because of all the players he follows during the recruitment process, and he said he's always trying to give them advice on what they put out there on social media and what they don't.
Posted by JJ27
Member since Sep 2004
60299 posts
Posted on 5/3/16 at 2:37 pm to
Have them fill out their home address on camp info and the questionnaire they fill out for your school. No questionnaire, no camp, no info.
Posted by broadcaster
Maurepas
Member since Sep 2013
2685 posts
Posted on 5/3/16 at 2:52 pm to
So recruiting letters go to the school and not the kids house
Posted by BigEdLSU
All around the south
Member since Sep 2010
20268 posts
Posted on 5/3/16 at 2:52 pm to
Right... Reinforces my belief that camps should be opened up to where they are easy to attend.
Posted by JJ27
Member since Sep 2004
60299 posts
Posted on 5/3/16 at 3:02 pm to
For those that don't know what I'm talking about, here's LSU's questionnaire for prospective recruits.

LINK
Posted by RagingCajun3195
Fort Worth
Member since Aug 2014
2014 posts
Posted on 5/3/16 at 3:19 pm to
quote:

I couldn't understand what motive or why a coach would do this.


My high school coach withheld letters from former A&M DE Jay Arnold his freshman year until spring practices ended. But that was likely because he knew Jay could be special and didn't want him to get a big head. Now this is different then what JimmyD is talking about, but not giving a kid the letters at all is just wrong.
Posted by Prominentwon
LSU, McNeese St. Fan
Member since Jan 2005
93718 posts
Posted on 5/3/16 at 3:31 pm to
There's a coalition?
Posted by sicboy
Because Awesome
Member since Nov 2010
77586 posts
Posted on 5/3/16 at 3:32 pm to
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Just happened: SEC school visits a HS, head coach gives zero names, makes zero introductions, shared no info. Happens every day. Sad
Posted by LordoftheManor
Member since Jul 2006
8371 posts
Posted on 5/3/16 at 4:01 pm to
That's absolutely repugnant, and in another field would be considered malpractice. Hurting the future of 17 year olds for crying out loud.
Posted by Duckie
Tippy Toe, Louisiana
Member since Apr 2010
24314 posts
Posted on 5/3/16 at 4:43 pm to
quote:

I didn't say unlimited access.


then you're just adding more rules to an already burdensome set of rules.

Just make a cutoff and work with it.

This post was edited on 5/3/16 at 4:45 pm
Posted by MoreOrLes
Member since Nov 2008
19472 posts
Posted on 5/3/16 at 5:16 pm to
I do not know how any of this works BUT


If i was a coach, I would have the Kid and His legal guardians sign permission to release his address to colleges who request it.

I would not want to be a go between. Its not part of the job.


This tells me that some HS coaches might/must be on the take.

Certainly Colleges know the possible influence a HS coach may have........why would they keep going thru the corches and just send it directly to the players home?

And how did the Dad in the video "Stumble across a box of letters in a coaches class room"?
This post was edited on 5/3/16 at 5:22 pm
Posted by vodkacop
Louisiana
Member since Nov 2008
7853 posts
Posted on 5/3/16 at 5:49 pm to
quote:

Beware: I know a lot of your secrets and exposing you guys won't be an issue for me. This will change and our coalition will make sure of it


Sounds like he just burnt some bridges and no one will ever trust him again
Posted by DontCare
Baton Rouge
Member since Apr 2012
2516 posts
Posted on 5/3/16 at 6:02 pm to
quote:

That's absolutely repugnant, and in another field would be considered malpractice. Hurting the future of 17 year olds for crying out loud.

I pretty much agree with shea and those of you who say it's reprehensible for a coach to withhold letters from a high school athlete based upon the coach's bias, but I can see a flip-side to it, as well. Good coaches who care about their players could temper the rate and amount of letters that a player receives based on the the player's best interests. Say, for instance, a HS coach knows that his player can be successful in a structured environment but that such and such college coach lets the inmates run the asylum. The HS coach might de-emphasize that coach/college insofar as he thinks that doing so is in the player's best long-term interests. I'm just hypothesizing, though, and have no idea how likely or unlikely this scenario is. Further, my hypothetical isn't aimed at the situation Shea is pointing out, but is just an observation about why some coach's discretion might not be an inherently bad thing for HS players.
Posted by sicboy
Because Awesome
Member since Nov 2010
77586 posts
Posted on 5/3/16 at 6:05 pm to
quote:

Say, for instance, a HS coach knows that his player can be successful in a structured environment but that such and such college coach lets the inmates run the asylum. The HS coach might de-emphasize that coach/college insofar as he thinks that doing so is in the player's best long-term interests


Absolutely in no way, shape, or form should this be the coach's decision. Pass it on the to the parents. They can help keep them informed, but that's overstepping their bounds.
Posted by BigEdLSU
All around the south
Member since Sep 2010
20268 posts
Posted on 5/3/16 at 6:07 pm to
It's not the right of a coach to make that call. Imo that coach has no right to restrict a kids future based on what he thinks he knows best.
Posted by tigerskin
Member since Nov 2004
40242 posts
Posted on 5/3/16 at 6:14 pm to
No way a coach should be deciding what they think is best or not to pass along. Do teachers decide what college students that are offered academic scholarships go to? They can give their opinion but the info shouldn't be hidden.

Jimmy, this is a perfect example of why trying to fix it coach by coach won't be the ticket. Has to be a rule change to take the coaches out of the way.
Posted by TheWalrus
Member since Dec 2012
40519 posts
Posted on 5/3/16 at 6:25 pm to
Maybe I'm old school, but I don't think a journalist should be playing an active role in recruitments anyway. I believe Jimmy has good intentions, but all his involvement in Louisiana high school football is a conflict of interest to his journalistic duty IMO.
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