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re: It sounds like Will Wade got Daryl Edwards...

Posted on 4/18/17 at 9:20 am to
Posted by SouthOfSouth
Baton Rouge
Member since Jun 2008
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Posted on 4/18/17 at 9:20 am to
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Not much on Daryl Edwards decision anywhere. How solid is the info?


I haven't heard anything at all. Would be a major get. He shot 47% from three point land last year.... YES PLEASE.

Would love to have him as a Blakeney replacement.
Posted by Lsuismyfav
Kentwood, LA
Member since Mar 2007
1784 posts
Posted on 4/18/17 at 9:33 am to
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I agree with you. I think the thought also comes from Wade hotly pursuing junior college point guards.



List two of them.
Posted by S
RIP Wayde
Member since Jan 2007
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Posted on 4/18/17 at 9:44 am to
Is Marshall Graves going to be on the team?

Not a terrible reserve ball handler. Jenkins can also handle a little pernt.
Posted by thunderbird1100
GSU Eagles fan
Member since Oct 2007
68340 posts
Posted on 4/18/17 at 9:54 am to
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Is Marshall Graves going to be on the team?

Not a terrible reserve ball handler. Jenkins can also handle a little pernt.




I think we need to get away from having to ever rely on walk ons. We should always be carrying a full roster of 13 scholarship players. We ended last season with only 11. I think it's always a huge mistake to go into a season with less than 13 scholarship guys. You are putting yourself at a disadvantage from the start. 1 guy got kicked off for us mid-year and we ended up with only 11 scholarship players for most of the season. Combine that with Jenkins' injury it was really like only having 10 scholarship players most of season.

Absolutely no reason to not press for a grad transfer if you're sitting at 12 guys going into the next season. Doesn't matter if he's not great, he's a body you can at least use who will be better than walk ons. Even then, go get a JUCO guy or even freshman. This day in age you just have to properly manage a roster. If a guy is here after 2-3 years and cant contribute (ER III/Bridgewater), then the writing should be on the wall for them and let them know they should transfer out to see any playing time. We can't have useless scholarship players riding the pine for 4 years here because they cant play on this level.
Posted by tigers32
Member since Mar 2012
5630 posts
Posted on 4/18/17 at 9:54 am to
Yea besides Corey Davis I haven't read about LSU going after any other juco PG's.
Posted by Bjorn Cyborg
Member since Sep 2016
26809 posts
Posted on 4/18/17 at 10:02 am to
Antino Davis from Akron is the other one I was thinking of. He's a grad transfer, not JUCO.
Posted by LSUButt
Lowcountry
Member since Jan 2006
14930 posts
Posted on 4/18/17 at 10:23 am to
Agreed SoS. Mays is very smooth and fluid which gives a notion that he is slow. He's 6'4, can get to the rim relatively easily, and has great court vision. Very few fans allow players to develop. What he did as a Freshman on a very bad team was quite impressive.
Posted by chuckie3325
Baton Rouge, La
Member since Apr 2009
582 posts
Posted on 4/18/17 at 10:36 am to
I believe they should try to sign Edwards and Antino Davis, they lack scoring and Patterson and Jenkins are not scores, you need guys who can put the ball in the basket.
Posted by TheCaterpillar
Member since Jan 2004
76774 posts
Posted on 4/18/17 at 11:40 am to
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I think we need to get away from having to ever rely on walk ons. We should always be carrying a full roster of 13 scholarship players.


I agree.

Its absurd.
Posted by Tom Bronco
Austin, TX
Member since Jun 2011
2653 posts
Posted on 4/18/17 at 12:07 pm to
I agree a full roster is always nice to have. However the fact is that most coaches only go 8, maybe 9, deep when they give out playing time. So when players get injured or kicked off the team it only matters if they are one of the studs, not one of the duds.

Not a good idea to draft a marginal player just to have a full roster if he is a freshman. Sure you can take away the scholarship later but I hate to see that done. I don't see how you can build team chemistry if everyone knows that if they don't do something to stand out they may be saying bye bye at the end of the season.

Remember these aren't mature pro players. They are kids who are away from home for the first time and making new friends.

Senior transfers can be wonderful and fill a spot we really need (Camouche) or they could just be another bench warmer who contributes little. As for guards, Wade is looking for new ones based on how Mays, Sampson and Patterson played last year. They all had short bursts of brilliance and long stretches of missed shots, turnovers and lousy defense.

Now some say that is due to coaching and I certainly hope they are right. One thing I thought strange about last year was that Jenkins and Hayward didn't get more playing time during our long losing streak. You would think they would have gotten more playing time just to see if they could do any better.
Posted by SoloTiger
Member since Aug 2016
9510 posts
Posted on 4/18/17 at 12:14 pm to
Yes Cyborg...for me it's a combination of Mays looking like he moves with 2 lb. weights in his shoes and Wade seemingly searching for another true PG.

I'm not saying Mays is terrible.

Maybe I was reaching here.
Posted by TheCaterpillar
Member since Jan 2004
76774 posts
Posted on 4/18/17 at 12:40 pm to
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I agree a full roster is always nice to have. However the fact is that most coaches only go 8, maybe 9, deep when they give out playing time. So when players get injured or kicked off the team it only matters if they are one of the studs, not one of the duds.

Not a good idea to draft a marginal player just to have a full roster if he is a freshman. Sure you can take away the scholarship later but I hate to see that done. I don't see how you can build team chemistry if everyone knows that if they don't do something to stand out they may be saying bye bye at the end of the season.

Remember these aren't mature pro players. They are kids who are away from home for the first time and making new friends.

Senior transfers can be wonderful and fill a spot we really need (Camouche) or they could just be another bench warmer who contributes little. As for guards, Wade is looking for new ones based on how Mays, Sampson and Patterson played last year. They all had short bursts of brilliance and long stretches of missed shots, turnovers and lousy defense.

Now some say that is due to coaching and I certainly hope they are right. One thing I thought strange about last year was that Jenkins and Hayward didn't get more playing time during our long losing streak. You would think they would have gotten more playing time just to see if they could do any better.


You get a JUCO/grad transfer to play a year or two to fill the spots, don't give 4 year rides to kids you wouldn't normally take. They don't have to be world beaters, but to get 5 minutes of decent PT from someone deep on the bench that has college/JUCO experience can be the difference in winning or losing.
Posted by nicholastiger
Member since Jan 2004
42699 posts
Posted on 4/18/17 at 12:45 pm to
The walk ons are not listed on the LSU website roster for 17/18
Reed and Vial will have to tryout again to make the team.
Posted by bugafor6
Member since Feb 2016
4200 posts
Posted on 4/18/17 at 12:52 pm to
Exactly. Getting 4 year guys just to be a warm body is how you get stuck with Darcy Malone
Posted by TheCaterpillar
Member since Jan 2004
76774 posts
Posted on 4/18/17 at 12:55 pm to
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Exactly. Getting 4 year guys just to be a warm body is how you get stuck with Darcy Malone



Right.

But getting a Darcy Malone for just 1 year as a transfer to fill the 13th roster spot and give us depth down low would be a great idea.

Posted by thunderbird1100
GSU Eagles fan
Member since Oct 2007
68340 posts
Posted on 4/18/17 at 12:58 pm to
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I agree a full roster is always nice to have. However the fact is that most coaches only go 8, maybe 9, deep when they give out playing time. So when players get injured or kicked off the team it only matters if they are one of the studs, not one of the duds.



But think about it. Are you more likely to find 8-9 capable players in a group of 13 or a group of 11? Again, you're handicapping yourself right off the bat not keeping a full scholarship roster on hand.

We had 11 scholarship players when Victor got kicked off last season, because Johnny Jones decided it wasn't worth adding a 13th scholarship player to start the season. On top of that, a pretty common thing happened, a player was injured and couldnt be relied upon most of the year. That was Jenkins which really meant we were left with 10 scholarship players. Now, consider the fact of those 10 scholarship players left, 3 of them were ER III, Bridgewater and Hayward, guys so bad, the walk ons were even better options at times. So really it's like we had just 7 scholarship players to give us any hope of quality game minutes.

You see how bad that is? You say we need 8-9 capable guys but with injury and a player kicked off we had 7. If we had 1 more guy on the roster, it's possible we could have had 8 capable guys instead of only 7.


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Not a good idea to draft a marginal player just to have a full roster if he is a freshman. Sure you can take away the scholarship later but I hate to see that done. I don't see how you can build team chemistry if everyone knows that if they don't do something to stand out they may be saying bye bye at the end of the season.


The idea is to get 1 year grad transfers to fill these voids or even a JUCO guy. They will only spend 1 or 2 years max here. Still, you should always go out and find a decent freshmen if for whatever reason you cant find the above 2, because they will have a MUCH better shot of giving you quality minutes than a guy who just walks on to the team...it shouldnt be a trend though. You should easily be able to find a grad trasnfer or JUCO capable of filling a quick void over having to just grab a low 3-star freshman with practically no offers.

And yeah, it would suck to tell a guy like Hayward to kick rocks after a year or two...but at the same time you have very limited scholarship roster spots and you have to win. If you build up a roster with multiple bad scholarship players, how are you going to dig your way out? Sometimes you have to be the "Bad guy" to win. Basketball sees the most transfers of anyone too, it's like a free agency every off-season. Over 700 players transferred last year. 125 of those were grad transfers eligible immediately and only had a year left.
This post was edited on 4/18/17 at 1:05 pm
Posted by chuckie3325
Baton Rouge, La
Member since Apr 2009
582 posts
Posted on 4/18/17 at 1:35 pm to
walk ons equal rich kids sons who played at a private school in high school
Posted by tigers32
Member since Mar 2012
5630 posts
Posted on 4/18/17 at 1:48 pm to
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The idea is to get 1 year grad transfers to fill these voids or even a JUCO guy. They will only spend 1 or 2 years max here. Still, you should always go out and find a decent freshmen if for whatever reason you cant find the above 2, because they will have a MUCH better shot of giving you quality minutes than a guy who just walks on to the team...it shouldnt be a trend though. You should easily be able to find a grad trasnfer or JUCO capable of filling a quick void over having to just grab a low 3-star freshman with practically no offers.

Yeah, ideally you can find a grad transfer or JUCO guy to help if you have an open scholarship. But, I'm okay with holding a scholarship or 2 open if you will need them in a year or if you can't reel in a guy good enough to contribute.
Posted by tigers32
Member since Mar 2012
5630 posts
Posted on 4/18/17 at 1:51 pm to
Also, are there any highlights of Edwards anywhere? He def sounds like a guy who will help fill that scorer role left by Blakeney.
Posted by Alt26
Member since Mar 2010
28384 posts
Posted on 4/18/17 at 2:17 pm to
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But getting a Darcy Malone for just 1 year as a transfer to fill the 13th roster spot and give us depth down low would be a great idea.


Not if he can't play. What good is having that kind of depth if the guys hurts you when he's in the game?

I understand taking a guy like Malone out of HS. You can't teach size and you hope you can develop him over the course of a 1-2 years. You don't take transfers just to fill out the bench. You want them to be able to provide an immediate impact because they are only going to be on your roster 1-2 years at most.

Carmouch and Coleman were taken to immediately jump in an play. Same with Hornsby and Victor (after they sat out their required time). Taking a transfer just to fill the 13th roster spot is how you end up with a guy like John Odo. He was a non-factor.
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