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re: Imma put a End to the Crutchfield hates LSU crap!
Posted on 12/27/12 at 7:57 pm to GeorgeTheGreek
Posted on 12/27/12 at 7:57 pm to GeorgeTheGreek
quote:
Yes, that. I just want people to realize its stupid and irrational
High school coaches should make sure their kids have the best information available and offer advice when asked for it, not push them to one school or another, interfere with the process, or intentionally pull the kind of crap Holmes did last year in the Davis recruitment. Not being able to comprehend this is what is stupid and irrational. A coach pushing their agenda and wanting to be a "player" in a kid's recruitment is stupid and irrational.
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Posted on 12/27/12 at 8:14 pm to MOT
Well said
Posted on 12/27/12 at 8:25 pm to MOT
That's already been covered and everyone agrees. There are coaches out there who push kids to LSU too.
Posted on 12/27/12 at 8:51 pm to GeorgeTheGreek
So you agree coaches shouldn't interject themselves into the process any more than needed, but when someone suggests a coach may be doing that in favor of Alabama then you can't understand what the problem is, think it is perfectly logical, etc?
Posted on 12/27/12 at 8:55 pm to GeorgeTheGreek
Respecting Saban doesn't necessarily make him desirable for every high profile recruit.
I know a lot of coaches, and off the record, they wouldn't give Miles the same level of respect as Saban when it comes to X's and O's, or in attention to detail, either. They are completely different in style.
But, look at their personal lives and how they deal with family. I don't really want to get into details, but there's not an immediate family member of Saban's without issues. Everything comes at a price, and I could repeat many stories told to me from someone who still talks to Saban weekly to make my point, but I won't.
My point is that when all is said and done, Miles may get the respect that really counts. That's not easy to see in the heat of the moment, and I've come to appreciate Miles more everyday.
And back to the original point of this thread, I'm glad to see this from Crutchfield. I know he's a Sabanite, and probably has great reasons to feel that way. But, I'm not aware of any anti-LSU happenings, unless it goes back to his days at NE, and feeling slighted as a player.
I can tell you this. My brother played for McNeese at this time, and Crutchfield was a man amongst boys out there.
Literally.
I know a lot of coaches, and off the record, they wouldn't give Miles the same level of respect as Saban when it comes to X's and O's, or in attention to detail, either. They are completely different in style.
But, look at their personal lives and how they deal with family. I don't really want to get into details, but there's not an immediate family member of Saban's without issues. Everything comes at a price, and I could repeat many stories told to me from someone who still talks to Saban weekly to make my point, but I won't.
My point is that when all is said and done, Miles may get the respect that really counts. That's not easy to see in the heat of the moment, and I've come to appreciate Miles more everyday.
And back to the original point of this thread, I'm glad to see this from Crutchfield. I know he's a Sabanite, and probably has great reasons to feel that way. But, I'm not aware of any anti-LSU happenings, unless it goes back to his days at NE, and feeling slighted as a player.
I can tell you this. My brother played for McNeese at this time, and Crutchfield was a man amongst boys out there.
Literally.
Posted on 12/27/12 at 9:15 pm to MOT
I don't think coaches should push players anywhere. LSU or Alabama.
Posted on 12/27/12 at 9:26 pm to GeorgeTheGreek
Sorry, I was confused by your first post in this thread in which you said:
"And what's the problem with that?"
after someone accused him of steering players to Alabama. That was clearly a mistake on my part.
"And what's the problem with that?"
after someone accused him of steering players to Alabama. That was clearly a mistake on my part.
Posted on 12/27/12 at 9:33 pm to MOT
So why exactly does DeCarlos Holmes have a problem with LSU? It does seem to me that he is deliberately trying to frick over LSU, which is strange, and the same can't be said for most of the other coaches in the state who aren't steering all of their guys to LSU.
Posted on 12/27/12 at 9:40 pm to MOT
quote:
after someone accused him of steering players to Alabama. That was clearly a mistake on my part.
I meant it with direct comparison to the high school coaches that do the same with LSU.
It's not right for anyone to do it however.
This post was edited on 12/27/12 at 9:40 pm
Posted on 12/28/12 at 11:18 am to GeorgeTheGreek
George,
There are some pretty good reasons to push the home state school with many programs. LSU is one.
Do not underestimate the opportunity for the parents to see their child paly an dbe near his overall college experience. Additoanlly, the state HS coaches develop lines of communication with the state college staffs, which gives the family an independent source of information on how the student is being treated.
Finally, if is no secret that the state school networks oftern award the former palyer with employment and business opportunities that will not be abvailable to the student who plays elsewhere.
I have great respect for Nick Saban and consider him the best coach in college football. Coach Miles is one of the best coaches and one of the best humans in the business of coaching.
Armed with what I know, I would NOT want my son to play for Nick, but would be glad to have him play for Les, provided only that he was not a QB.
Just another opinion.
There are some pretty good reasons to push the home state school with many programs. LSU is one.
Do not underestimate the opportunity for the parents to see their child paly an dbe near his overall college experience. Additoanlly, the state HS coaches develop lines of communication with the state college staffs, which gives the family an independent source of information on how the student is being treated.
Finally, if is no secret that the state school networks oftern award the former palyer with employment and business opportunities that will not be abvailable to the student who plays elsewhere.
I have great respect for Nick Saban and consider him the best coach in college football. Coach Miles is one of the best coaches and one of the best humans in the business of coaching.
Armed with what I know, I would NOT want my son to play for Nick, but would be glad to have him play for Les, provided only that he was not a QB.
Just another opinion.
Posted on 12/28/12 at 11:28 am to GeorgeTheGreek
george
"Yeah, sorry for having the audacity to think a coach, looking out for the best interest of his player, would send that kid to the best coach in the country"
poster
Dude is steering anyone Saban wants to Alabama
george
And what's the problem with that? A coach just wants what is best for his players. Miles is a great coach, but Saban is better according to um ... Everyone but some LSU fans.
george is just a little confused because now he says,
he's just not sure where he stands on the issue.
"Yeah, sorry for having the audacity to think a coach, looking out for the best interest of his player, would send that kid to the best coach in the country"
poster
Dude is steering anyone Saban wants to Alabama
george
And what's the problem with that? A coach just wants what is best for his players. Miles is a great coach, but Saban is better according to um ... Everyone but some LSU fans.
george is just a little confused because now he says,
quote:
It's not right for anyone to do it
he's just not sure where he stands on the issue.
Posted on 12/28/12 at 11:38 am to dos crystal
Maybe George has learned during the process...
I have to modify my previous post , where I stated Saban is the "best" coach in college football, but I wouldn't want my son to play for him.
I think it's more accurate to say Nick is the most EFFECTIVE coach in college football.
His focus, organization and ruthlessness get him to that position. His lack of humanity keep him from being the BEST coach overall, and keep me from wanting to commend him to student athletes, except in unusual situations.
I have to modify my previous post , where I stated Saban is the "best" coach in college football, but I wouldn't want my son to play for him.
I think it's more accurate to say Nick is the most EFFECTIVE coach in college football.
His focus, organization and ruthlessness get him to that position. His lack of humanity keep him from being the BEST coach overall, and keep me from wanting to commend him to student athletes, except in unusual situations.
Posted on 12/28/12 at 12:05 pm to dos crystal
I think i've been pretty clear that its not right for any coach to do it HOWEVER ...
Its just as "right" for high school coaches to push Bama as it is LSU if you believe such a thing is, indeed, ethical.
Its just as "right" for high school coaches to push Bama as it is LSU if you believe such a thing is, indeed, ethical.
Posted on 12/28/12 at 12:09 pm to nitwit
Yeah nit, i definitely understand that train of thought. No doubt Miles is a great coach ... top 5 in the business for sure. It's also no secret he's a better person than Saban.
I, personally however, would rather my son play for Saban who i believe to be top dog.
This doesn't mean i hate LSU, or Miles .... its just my personal, hypothetical, preference.
I, personally however, would rather my son play for Saban who i believe to be top dog.
This doesn't mean i hate LSU, or Miles .... its just my personal, hypothetical, preference.
This post was edited on 12/28/12 at 12:10 pm
Posted on 12/28/12 at 12:53 pm to GeorgeTheGreek
Understood, George.
Just different opinions.
Happy New Year and Regards!
Just different opinions.
Happy New Year and Regards!
Posted on 12/28/12 at 3:40 pm to nitwit
to you as well Posted on 12/28/12 at 4:10 pm to nitwit
quote:A good coach makes sure his players are informed of these facts, but he does not "push" the school in them.
There are some pretty good reasons to push the home state school with many programs. LSU is one. Do not underestimate the opportunity for the parents to see their child paly an dbe near his overall college experience. Additoanlly, the state HS coaches develop lines of communication with the state college staffs, which gives the family an independent source of information on how the student is being treated. Finally, if is no secret that the state school networks oftern award the former palyer with employment and business opportunities that will not be abvailable to the student who plays elsewhere.
Posted on 12/28/12 at 4:48 pm to Gravitiger
I think we all agree that the coach has no business trying to overcome the judgment of the parents and the student.
But in the real world, HS coaches are often neither "educators" nor counselors ( nor, for that matter, honest brokers).
Often, they are just former jocks, with some axe to grind...some are even worse.
Weren't we just talking about DeCarlos Holmes?
But in the real world, HS coaches are often neither "educators" nor counselors ( nor, for that matter, honest brokers).
Often, they are just former jocks, with some axe to grind...some are even worse.
Weren't we just talking about DeCarlos Holmes?
Posted on 12/28/12 at 4:50 pm to nitwit
I know some very exceptional teachers that are also excellent coaches
Posted on 12/28/12 at 4:51 pm to nitwit
Not denying that it happens. Just giving my opinion on what the coach's role in the recruiting process should be.
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