re: I don't get this fan base in regards to recruiting

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You say this, but on the other hand fans are rationalizing the fact you need some of these lesser guys to be 4 year players. Les played too many freshman. But we shall see. It still baffles me they can't go get top rbs like the previous staff were able to.

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Jeremy Hill, Fournette, Guice and most of our quality backs the last few years are all Louisiana kids.

The last 2 years have been down years for elite LA RBs. We just got the commit from Carter who is the top LA RB and he's a 3star.

We slow walked Etienne last year because we wanted Akers and by the time we offered, Clemson the national champ put a full court press on him. Hard to beat that.

It's funny how some of you are all of a sudden trying to convince yourselves that its ok to fill up the majority of your class with 3 stars who typically don't reach their ceiling until their 4th year. Mediocrity is slowly creeping into you guy's mindset.

You're not wrong, but I think you're coming from a place of negativity towards the coaching hire.

You think Orgeron doesn't know he needs elite level talent to beat Alabama and compete for a championship?

The people talking about preferring taking 4-5 year guys over studs who will go to the NFL after 3 years are just as delusional as the people who think the 2018 class looks the same now as it will in February (either from additions/attrition or from current commits' rankings improving).

Orgeron is definitely working a plan. We will just have to see how it plays out and whether it works or not. Personally, I'm excited about the direction of the program because I know that O knows he needs elite talent to win at the level that we expect.

We have already seen drastic improvements to gameplanning, in-game coaching and and game management. If this staff can recruit similarly to the previous staff, I think we will be where we need to be in short order. And if we're not, we move on and the next coach should have a full cupboard to work with.

I swear, it seems like some of you people are so blinded by your hatred of the coaching hire that you are actually hoping we lose so you can feel some sort of vindication. It's really disturbing.

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It doesn't help with program success longevity if you continue to have 13 or more 3-year players leave each season. Out of a 25-man recruiting class, you need a mix of stud 3-year and very good program (i.e. 4-5 year players) if you want your program to sustain success. Look at what Clemson, Alabama, and Ohio State have done. They're classes contain the right mix so when they're studs leave after the junior year they have mature, seasoned players waiting to fill that void. Coach O is building up the foundation with this year's group, plain and simple, so maybe you are the one that doesn't know what he's talking about.

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The same Alabama that landed 23 4 or 5 star recruits in 2017? And 17 in 2016? And 20 in 2015? And 22 (in a 26 man class!) in 2014? And . . . you know what, I'll skip ahead a bit. Alabama signs vastly more 4 and 5 star players than any other team in the country. So they are a terrible example of a team whose classes "contain the right mix." Unless the right mix is to just load up on as many elite talents as you can at every position . . . which come to think of it is almost definitely the right mix.

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The people talking about preferring taking 4-5 year guys over studs who will go to the NFL after 3 years are just as delusional as the people who think the 2018 class looks the same now as it will in February (either from additions/attrition or from current commits' rankings improving).

Orgeron is definitely working a plan. We will just have to see how it plays out and whether it works or not. Personally, I'm excited about the direction of the program because I know that O knows he needs elite talent to win at the level that we expect.

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Instead of griping about stars, or number of 3*, in June OR assuming all will be ok and we're going to have so many Bama bumps it's insane I'd like to see a list of these 3* committed who have Opening invite (or all-star game invites).

Considering the point in the process (June) that's real indicator information. And then later, check those performances and does it match camp reports or what the coaches saw that prompted the offer in place.

Yeah, some of those 3* obviously won't have invites. And maybe 1 or 2 will be truly under the radar and would have shined if had been given the opportunity. But for the one's that do get the chance, what do we see and will that lead to a bump.

Haven't you learned yet, you can't save everybody! The fun of recruiting is following the fans' ebb and flow as much as who actually signs. Just like our love/hate affair with our coaches. It usually turns out just fine.

Just recently we had a bunch of UTx trolls on here talking about how good of a class they had, CEO sux, they're glad they beat us out for Herman, etc.

Now that they are at #8, haven't seen them in a couple weeks.

The LSU fans on here basically saying the exact same things, IN JUNE, about LSU look very much like the UTx trolls from a posting standpoint.

Again, I understand the concern; it's warranted. But the extrapolations, melts, and apocalypse-is-upon-us mentality is troll worthy. So is the assumption that Herman would be doing better by both LSU and UTx fans.

Herman will work his plan (and smooches) and CEO will work his. We will see. It's like setting out to drive to Omaha and selling your car because the first red light on Airline takes too long. Firstly, kind of early in the drive. Secondly, why get rid of the car because of the red light.

I'm very happy with the recruiting so far. Our fanbase has been a little spoiled the past twenty years. The same people complaining would be jerking off to this class prior to the Saban era.

Top 3 class??? How..

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This board will never be happy

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