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Did anyone else see how good LSU pro day went?!!

Posted on 3/14/16 at 6:20 pm
Posted by 247lsutheboot
Member since Jan 2016
235 posts
Posted on 3/14/16 at 6:20 pm
Debo Jones ran a 4.3 and 4.4 40 yard dash and Jalen ran a 4.5 an 4.47 they are moving up draft boards and they were only 3* recruits out of high school!!!This shows players we are recruiting that its not about how many stars you got coming out of highschool but its about your development#Lsugreatness!!!
Posted by stewie
Member since Jan 2006
3951 posts
Posted on 3/14/16 at 6:26 pm to
Mmmkay...so we should just offer 3* recruits?
Posted by airfernando
Member since Oct 2015
15248 posts
Posted on 3/14/16 at 6:43 pm to
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its about your development#Lsugreatness!!!
That's a narrow understanding of things. That's fine for players hoping to get to the NFL. I'd prefer guys who are college ready out of high school if the option is there. I'm happy for Debo, but as a college fan I don't really care how they'll do in the NFL.
Posted by Keltic Tiger
Baton Rouge
Member since Dec 2006
19288 posts
Posted on 3/14/16 at 6:53 pm to
Assuming it is safe to say Finebaum did not show it in its entirety like he did bama's?
Posted by Aussietigerfan
Sydney, Australia
Member since May 2015
2315 posts
Posted on 3/14/16 at 7:24 pm to
A 3* player is still a very talented athlete.. Otherwise they wouldn't be worthy of a scholarship to schools like LSU. Why do people refer to 3* as thought it means they are shite. Coaches see potential, and how they can fit their scheme, not how many stars they have been given on a recruiting site.
Posted by King Joey
Just south of the DC/US border
Member since Mar 2004
12494 posts
Posted on 3/14/16 at 7:35 pm to
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Why do people refer to 3* as thought it means they are shite
I was thinking the same thing on that thread compare the 5'11" 5* QB to Scott, our 5'11" 3*. People were talking about how arm strength doesn't account for the "huge difference" between them, and everyone seemed mystified at why Scott was rated "so much worse" than the other guy. I was wondering if people really understood the fine line -- even in the recruiting service evaluations -- between 3* guys and 5* guys. I mean, it's like comparing the NCAA 100m champion to the guy who finished 8th; the champion is clearly the better sprinter, but it's probably only a 10th of a second or so difference. If we didn't have electronic timing devices and high speed photography, we sometimes couldn't even tell the difference between 1st and 3rd. And that's in just about the least subjective sport there is. When evaluating something as highly contextual and subjective as football recruits, your 5* guys will generally be better than your 3* guys, but even when that's true the difference is usually pretty narrow.

Posted by Penrod
Member since Jan 2011
39265 posts
Posted on 3/14/16 at 7:48 pm to
Debo Jones was waaay underrated coming out of high school. He was only 16 at the start of his senior year and he still was fast as all get out.
Posted by LordoftheManor
Member since Jul 2006
8371 posts
Posted on 3/14/16 at 7:58 pm to
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that its not about how many stars


oh good, this lie again
Posted by minimal
Member since Feb 2007
755 posts
Posted on 3/14/16 at 8:03 pm to
Similarly narrow point of view. Like it or not, NFL success of school's former players is perfect marketing for the school to the next generation of hopefuls. Being college ready starts with talent, and effective marketing draws better talent.
Posted by LSUrecruiting
Houma, Louisina
Member since Feb 2015
210 posts
Posted on 3/14/16 at 8:06 pm to
On your first day of practice you become a 0 star
Posted by Tiger Phanatick
Shreveport
Member since Jun 2008
4103 posts
Posted on 3/14/16 at 8:49 pm to
In the grand scheme of things 1 and two stars are average and slightly above average players.

I always look at it like this.

1 star = I play high school football
2 star = one of the better players on my team. Above average
3 star = One of the best on team and possible top 25 in state. Can play college ball at highest level.
4 star = best on team and top 10 in state top 500 in nation. Elite athlete. Can play and contribute at highest level of college ball
5 star = best in state top 50 player in nation. Will start in college and likely make pros.

This is my system. Not sure how rivals and 247 see them. But when I look at certain kids you can tell they are elite. Some kids are right behind them and get over looked.

System is flawed but it's also for entertainment. Not a science.
Posted by Fratigerguy
Member since Jan 2014
4745 posts
Posted on 3/14/16 at 9:10 pm to
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I mean, it's like comparing the NCAA 100m champion to the guy who finished 8th


I get what you're saying, but it's more like comparing the guy who placed 1st to the guy who placed 300th. Except no one is using a stopwatch. They're writing down what they think they ran based on what their eyes tell them.
Posted by Fonzarelli
Dallas
Member since Jan 2015
3972 posts
Posted on 3/14/16 at 9:27 pm to
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but as a college fan I don't really care how they'll do in the NFL.


As a college fan, you better hope more LSU players do better in the NFL -- otherwise you might not have anything to be a fan of. Kids dont want to go to non-nfl pipeline schools
Posted by Blanky6715
Dallas, TX
Member since Jul 2014
4377 posts
Posted on 3/14/16 at 9:58 pm to
They can make it and not do well and kids would still look at it as a "LSU can get me into the NFL". Whether they do good once they get there is entirely up to them. You can put positive spin on any situation, just depends on if your looking half empty or half full.
Posted by Hooligan's Ghost
Member since Jul 2013
5189 posts
Posted on 3/14/16 at 10:49 pm to
so Debo is going to make even more bank
Posted by neovenator250
New Orleans
Member since Nov 2012
955 posts
Posted on 3/14/16 at 11:25 pm to
track at LSU is notoriously fast, just like Ohio State, Miami, and a few other schools. have to add .1-.15 to those times to get the realistic number. Still, our guys did really well. couple of them I would love to see on the Saints
Posted by Datbayoubengal
Port City
Member since Sep 2009
26636 posts
Posted on 3/14/16 at 11:42 pm to
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This shows players we are recruiting that its not about how many stars you got coming out of highschool but its about your development#Lsugreatness!!!


No. It shows that people are different. A guy like Fournette for instance. No regular RB can do what he does and produce at the level he does just by working hard and developing. There is a limit to your potential.

He's a rare type at RB that only comes around every 10 years or so.

You can't teach a guy to be like Drake Davis already at 6'4 215-220lbs to have a 40+ inch vertical and 4.4 flat speed.


Now some 3 and below stars are just late bloomers who need to develop through college strength and conditioning and the right nutrition. JJ Watt was a 2 star 6'5 220lb DE/TE in high school playing God knows how weak, competition. Over time he gained 70lbs at Wisconsin and turned into a dominant force. But not everybody is the same. The percentages bear out across the board in star rankings and guys in the NFL.

The ranking system is not an exact science, but overall it's about as close as you can get until more and more people and services become available.
Posted by CelticDog
Member since Apr 2015
42867 posts
Posted on 3/14/16 at 11:44 pm to
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your 5* guys will generally be better than your 3* guys, but even when that's true the difference is usually pretty narrow.


only 20% of five star guys make it in (or even to) the NFL.

Posted by McCaigBro69
TigerDroppings Premium Member
Member since Oct 2014
45086 posts
Posted on 3/15/16 at 3:34 am to
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only 20% of five star guys make it in (or even to) the NFL.


This is true, however, it's also a proven fact that more five stars are taken in the first round than any other caliber player.
Posted by Datbayoubengal
Port City
Member since Sep 2009
26636 posts
Posted on 3/15/16 at 5:05 am to
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only 20% of five star guys make it in (or even to) the NFL.


TL;DR - You have NO IDEA what you are talking about. The rest is very long if anybody cares to look at the research.


2010
Of the top 10 players in the 2010 composite, 8 made it to the NFL. The other two were Jackson Jeffcoat who was a consensus All American in 2013 and Michael Dyer who had a 1000 yard season as a freshman and then an almost 1300 yard season in his second year (over 3000 rush yards during his career). I can't remember what Jackson's problem was, but Dyer fell completely off the road, off the field, and that impacted him on the field.

All in all 17 of the 31 5 stars were drafted (54.8%) I doubt 30% of the gazillion 3 stars and below got drafted from that year.

2011
Currently 13 of the 30 5 stars in this class have been drafted. La'El should have been a 1st rounder but Todd McShay had to be a McBitch like he always is. Crowell has had a decent college career and about average as an RB in the NFL. Others like the OT Westerman, Miller from OSU, Williams RB turned CB for TAMU, and yes even Jeff Driskel, should go somewhere in the draft this year.

Right now 43.3% have been drafted and when it's all said and done, over 50% will have been drafted.

2012
8 of the top 10 recruits have already been drafted after only 3 years. Seven of the eight went in the top 2 rounds and Noah Spence will be drafted this year making 9 of 10. Seven of the rest of the 35 5 star recruits have already been drafted as well, at only 3 years out. That means 42.8% have already been drafted after leaving early. With Noah Spence, Kyle Murphy, Jonathan Bullard, Keith Marshall, Adolphus Washington, and Jordan Jenkins expected to be drafted this year, you might as well chalk up 21 of the 35 5 star recruits, or 71.4%.

Also, there are still guys like Josh Harvey-Clemons, Gunner Keil, Rushel Shell, and Channing Ward that could get drafted in 2017. John Theus (UGA OT) and Isaac Seumalo (Oregon St OG) could also get drafted this year.

2013 - early exits prior to draft
The top 5 recruits are EEs and all are expected to be highly drafted. Four of the next 5 are EEs and projected to go in the top 3 rounds. Only one of the next 5 is leaving this year but 3 out of the remaining 4 are projected 2017 1st round picks (Jonathan Allen, O.J. Howard Bama and Kendall Fuller V Tech). Only one of the next 5 is leaving (Kelvin Taylor) and right now only one of the remaining 4 of that bunch I can see being drafted (the others ones are RSJ, Keith Ford TAMU and Robert Foster Bama). Two of the next 5 are leaving and they are both stud 1st round DBs in McKenzie Alexander from Clemson, and Vonn Bell from Ohio St. I doubt the other 3 get drafted, well maybe Redfield from ND. A'Shawn is the only guy leaving and he should be a 1st round pick from the last four. Both safeties Mcquay III (USC) and Tony Conner (Ole Miss) should be drafted next year barring injury.

14 or 15 of the 34 class of 2013 5 stars will be drafted this year and anywhere between 26-30 should be drafted by the 2018 draft.

Just for fun 2014 guys that aren't eligible til next year.
Projected 1st rounders by Walter Football (updated March 4th)
5 of the top 6 are projected to be 5 star recruits and when you hear the names of the projected first rounders, how could you doubt?
Leonard Fournette, Jalen Tabor, Cam Robinson, Jamal Adams, JuJu Smith-Schuster, Dalvin Cook, Jabrill Peppers, Adoree Jackson, Malachi Dupre, Raekwon McMillan, Nick Chubb, Malik McDowell, Quin Blanding. All of those players are pretty much the top 3 at their position and you guys should know that.

That means that 13 of the top 33 2014 (39.3%) 5 stars are projected not only to go in the first round, but go in the first round as early exits and looking at the names, that is highly, HIGHLY likely. I have to say that the rankings (I only looked at the composite) look better and better when you check them out.
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