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Posted on 2/5/16 at 1:43 pm to RATeamWannabe
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Then wait for the traditional signing period?
I totally agree but that isn't happening and wont happen ever.
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And an early signing day will prevent schools from backing out on recruits
I agree with this as well but what happens when they sign and the head coach gets fired or they get his with NCAA sanctions, yeah right or the kid gets charged with rape. I guess there needs to be an opt out clause.
Posted on 2/5/16 at 1:44 pm to Stagg8
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What do you do for a player that signs early and then there are wholesale staff changes during the season or during bowl week? What about a scenario where a program is sanctioned after the player signs early?
Then don't sign early. If the kid is coming for the School it won't matter. Kids coming for a particular coach can wait.
Posted on 2/5/16 at 1:47 pm to BIGJLAW
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I totally agree but that isn't happening and wont happen ever.
It happens all the time with other sports, some sign at the first opportunity, some wait. Why wouldn't it work with football?
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I agree with this as well but what happens when they sign and the head coach gets fired
I mean, unless its Petrino and he is banging his interns on the back of his Harley, there are usually signs or indications that a coaches job is in jeopardy. He will be reminded of that by every team recruiting him. I think an opt out clause just opens pandoras box, with really no end in sight.
Posted on 2/5/16 at 1:47 pm to DCtiger1
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there should be an early signing period
Posted on 2/5/16 at 1:48 pm to BIGJLAW
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what happens when they sign and the head coach gets fired or they get his with NCAA sanctions, yeah right or the kid gets charged with rape
What happens if this occurs after NSD? It's a pretty shallow argument against an early signing period. Not all players commit to a coach. They commit to a school. No one would be forcing them to sign early, but for kids that want to go ahead and pull the trigger what's wrong with that? It would eliminate all the pressure from the commit and free up recruiting resources for the school.
Posted on 2/5/16 at 1:55 pm to tiggerthetooth
Anytime a change is proposed, you have to follow the logic to its full end. If you allowed "early signing" when would that be started. Anytime? Ok, so a 14 year old kid can sign? Some of you may be saying that's ridiculous. Ok, well then how about the start of your junior year. The start of your senior year. After your senior year. See, the date is trivial unless you allow 14 year old kids to commit to a school and sign. Changing the date would only change the drama to a different date.
However, I would submit to you it isn't that big of a problem. We lost 1 recruit in signing day. That's less than 5% that chose to do that. That means if a recruit is committed on signing day, there is a 95% chance he will sign with us.
Now, this year our decommits were exacerbated by the fact they were in positions of need. Franks changing his mind, and then Fowler, make the problem seem worse than it is. However, who isn't happy about having Scott over Franks. I sure am, Scott is a great kid/player. Enjoy the process, and don't throw every kid into the category of "they can't stick to a commitment." 95% do......
However, I would submit to you it isn't that big of a problem. We lost 1 recruit in signing day. That's less than 5% that chose to do that. That means if a recruit is committed on signing day, there is a 95% chance he will sign with us.
Now, this year our decommits were exacerbated by the fact they were in positions of need. Franks changing his mind, and then Fowler, make the problem seem worse than it is. However, who isn't happy about having Scott over Franks. I sure am, Scott is a great kid/player. Enjoy the process, and don't throw every kid into the category of "they can't stick to a commitment." 95% do......
This post was edited on 2/5/16 at 1:58 pm
Posted on 2/5/16 at 2:10 pm to Bige11
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Anytime a change is proposed, you have to follow the logic to its full end. If you allowed "early signing" when would that be started. Anytime? Ok, so a 14 year old kid can sign? Some of you may be saying that's ridiculous. Ok, well then how about the start of your junior year. The start of your senior year. After your senior year. See, the date is trivial unless you allow 14 year old kids to commit to a school and sign. Changing the date would only change the drama to a different date.
Jesus you're obtuse.
NCAA Basketball has an early signing period and it works perfectly.
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What is early signing period, and why is it important? After months and sometimes years of recruiting, reclassifying, committing, decommitting and recommitting, college basketball recruits have one week in early November in which they can sign a national letter of intent to play at one of the three division levels the NCAA recognizes. In addition to the four-week period in the spring, basketball recruits may only sign their NLIs during these NCAA-mandated periods. Once a student-athlete signs his NLI, he is contractually bound to the university with which he signed and can officially be counted on the roster for the following season (barring academic ineligibility).
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What is the difference between the early and late signing period? Not much in terms of the rules. All of the same stipulations for the November period apply to the late period, which runs April 17-May 15. Basketball has the early period really for the benefit of the student-athletes. Signing an NLI ends the recruiting pressure most high-profile recruits face, so signing early allows them to get that part of their future out of the way and focus on enjoying their final season of high school basketball. Student-athletes who wait until spring to sign are subject to all the stress the recruiting process can bring throughout the season. Student-athletes who choose to sign late also run the risk of the programs they are most interested in playing for not having a spot for them after the early period ends.
Posted on 2/5/16 at 2:10 pm to MustWin
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Change to Committment Process Needed?
It seems that in many cases either players or schools "change their mind" at the last moment on NSD even though the player was committed for some time (either by player selecting another team or school grey shirting the player).
This being the case, why not simply eliminate NSD and allow a player to sign a committment when they have made up their mind to finalize the process for the player thereby eliminating the uncertainty in the process? This would be better for schools so they would not have to "hold the spot" and for players to "not be processed".
What do you think?
See, you, the fan, is what is wrong with recruiting. It's not the kids.
It is their fricking life! if they dont want to to go LSU at the last minute because they have a sudden change of thought, they should be allowed to go elsewhere. It's a lifetime decision. It's not for your fricking entertainment, though this is what recruiting has become, because the fans allow it. It. Is. Not. About. You. Or making you happy, or making you sad on signing day. Get a damn grip and open your eyes.
Posted on 2/5/16 at 2:10 pm to DCtiger1
I'm for the best interest of the kids. An early signing period is in the best interest of the schools and fans, but not the kids. For some it would be okay, but not all. You have world class professional sales organizations working against, for the most part in this context, unsophisticated families. The idea that we want to "trap" them is unseemly to me. If you are going to do this you should give them a reasonable out, under reasonable conditions, for a reasonable period of time.
I would give them an unconditional release if the head coach, coordinator, position coach, or primary recruiter, if different from the former, were to leave for any reason up until the end of the signing period. I would do the same if penalized for a major violation. Not every signee would take advantage of this, but the earlier it happens, the more likely it would happen. Don't trap these guys.
I would give them an unconditional release if the head coach, coordinator, position coach, or primary recruiter, if different from the former, were to leave for any reason up until the end of the signing period. I would do the same if penalized for a major violation. Not every signee would take advantage of this, but the earlier it happens, the more likely it would happen. Don't trap these guys.
Posted on 2/5/16 at 2:14 pm to DCtiger1
all an early signing period would do is lock in the kids that would end up at LSU anyway. The kids that still arent sure, whether they are "committed" or not, can still wait to the late period and flip at the last minute. It isnt helping anything
Posted on 2/5/16 at 2:14 pm to Indiana Tiger
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An early signing period is in the best interest of the schools and fans, but not the kids.
So, continued harassment by multiple coaching staffs even though you are firmly committed to a school is in the best interest of the kids?
Posted on 2/5/16 at 2:17 pm to DCtiger1
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You are obtuse
My apologies, wasn't my intent
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Basketball has an early signing period
True, and it is effectively signing day for 95% of recruits.
Also, if we are going to use basketball as an example of a "better" process, there are a lot of factors to discuss. It's beyond the scope of this thread, but basketball recruiting is a way bigger mess than football in my opinion.
This post was edited on 2/5/16 at 2:28 pm
Posted on 2/5/16 at 2:17 pm to Lester Earl
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all an early signing period would do is lock in the kids that would end up at LSU anyway.
Thus allowing the coaching staff to focus their time and efforts on recruits that aren't yet signed.
Posted on 2/5/16 at 2:19 pm to DCtiger1
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So, continued harassment by multiple coaching staffs even though you are firmly committed to a school is in the best interest of the kids?
If a kid and his family really wants to shut it down, they can. This is reflected when you rarely hear about them anymore. It won't be zero, but it's not the hell you're trying to sell.
Posted on 2/5/16 at 2:21 pm to DCtiger1
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Thus allowing the coaching staff to focus their time and efforts on recruits that aren't yet signed.
doesnt erase the chance a recruit switches at the last minute. Nothing can change that
Posted on 2/5/16 at 2:21 pm to DCtiger1
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So, continued harassment by multiple coaching staffs even though you are firmly committed to a school is in the best interest of the kids?
You choose to take the calls. I have had several kids shut down recruiting. Coaches respect that, and the few that don't get called on it. Or it becomes a problem, parents can get involved. You are only harassed if you want to be.
This post was edited on 2/5/16 at 2:22 pm
Posted on 2/5/16 at 2:22 pm to Lester Earl
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See, you, the fan, is what is wrong with recruiting. It's not the kids.
It is their fricking life! if they dont want to to go LSU at the last minute because they have a sudden change of thought, they should be allowed to go elsewhere. It's a lifetime decision. It's not for your fricking entertainment, though this is what recruiting has become, because the fans allow it. It. Is. Not. About. You. Or making you happy, or making you sad on signing day. Get a damn grip and open your eyes.
Posted on 2/5/16 at 2:25 pm to Lester Earl
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See, you, the fan, is what is wrong with recruiting. It's not the kids.
It is their fricking life! if they dont want to to go LSU at the last minute because they have a sudden change of thought, they should be allowed to go elsewhere. It's a lifetime decision. It's not for your fricking entertainment, though this is what recruiting has become, because the fans allow it. It. Is. Not. About. You. Or making you happy, or making you sad on signing day. Get a damn grip and open your eyes.
Nowhere in this tirade do you address the fact that most sports have an early signing period, while football does not.
Posted on 2/5/16 at 2:29 pm to RATeamWannabe
If the head coach leaves the kid should be able to cancel his papers
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