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re: BOOM! Four-Star Transfer Jordan Sears Has Committed to LSU and Matt McMahon!
Posted on 4/11/24 at 9:48 pm to Alt26
Posted on 4/11/24 at 9:48 pm to Alt26
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McMahon has talked about wanting to play fast. LSU did that to some degree this season and, in the process, turned the ball over a TON...which is why their offense was so inefficient. For his part, Sears was in the top 30 in the nation in terms of most turnovers. Now, that has to be taken into context as well. More possessions = more opportunities for turnovers. 3 TOs per game for low possession team is awful. 3 TOs per game for a high possession team may not be that bad.
Yes, I agree, I stated on a previous post that was alarming to me on paper, but hopefully it was from a massive workload. His first 2 season they were around 1.5topg. Assuming his usage rate was much much higher in 2023, but I haven’t dug that deep yet. He is very comparable to Jalen Cook who was also one of the top pick and roll guards of 2023, not as high as Sears.
Your next point about pace is the reason why I don’t see us taking a flyer on a stone footed big man who can’t run the floor efficiently. If we really want to run, we need an another wing. Reed should fit into get most of the 5 minutes followed by Fountain, he runs the floor very well, has great size, and can shoot it. Those are the prototypical MM big men. Not Baker or Dean. You will have Collins that can give you some looks at the 5 as well or fit into a 4 role depending on how he develops. It will also allow us to press more, which we had a ton of success with, just not enough guards and also will allow us to be in a position to have top side help in transition due to our PG(Hannibal) slashing into the lane and getting left behind in transition. That is what killed us. So I think moving more into this system will overall cause more turnovers, less points given up in transition while sacrificing offensive rebounds and some second chance opportunities, which we were really successful at to begin with.
This post was edited on 4/11/24 at 9:50 pm
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Posted on 4/11/24 at 10:27 pm to JWill409
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If we really want to run, we need an another wing. Reed should fit into get most of the 5 minutes followed by Fountain, he runs the floor very well, has great size, and can shoot it. Those are the prototypical MM big men. Not Baker or Dean.
Disagree that Dean wouldn't fit the style. Dean may have run the floor better than any other big.
Posted on 4/12/24 at 12:36 am to Lapaz
I may be old school but there’s no way you can compete in sec play with Reed\fountain\chest\collins\miller being your front court. I like the traditional or stretch center if you can play iso around the block when needed. Everyone of those players are primarily stretch at best. Only 2 of them have valuable film and fountain showed his ability to shoot from the perimeter towards the end of the year when Dean and baker split time. So you may have five 3-4s right now.
I see this right now.
Givens\williams
Sears\williams
Ward\sears
Reed\miller\collins
Fountain\chest\miller
I see this right now.
Givens\williams
Sears\williams
Ward\sears
Reed\miller\collins
Fountain\chest\miller
Posted on 4/12/24 at 2:01 am to slutiger5
Dont forget Cam Carter
Posted on 4/12/24 at 7:49 am to slutiger5
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Givens\williams
Sears\williams
Ward\sears
Reed\miller\collins
Fountain\chest\miller
Sears is a PG. He isn't a small forward. And Chest isn't a center.
More like:
Sears/Givens/Williams
Williams/Carter/Vyctorius
Ward/Carter/Vyctorius/Chest
Reed/Fountain/Chest/Miller
Collins/Portal Guy/Fountain/Miller
If we can't get a center at portal, and we have confidence in Collins to start, we may just ask Fountain to bulk up some and back up the 5 spot as well. Then we could go after a young small forward to back up Ward. It seems like that is the thinnest position.
This post was edited on 4/12/24 at 7:52 am
Posted on 4/12/24 at 9:19 am to Lapaz
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Disagree that Dean wouldn't fit the style. Dean may have run the floor better than any other big.
I agree with him being able to run the floor some but he had stone feet in the pick and roll defensively and was limited to 5 feet from the basket. That can't happen with the type of system we run, it limits the offense to just a roll option on PNR. Our C needs to be one of the best players on the floor that can score from any level. It's the reason Baker had so many flashes of greatness, our system made him look much much better than he actually is, same with Hannibal.
Posted on 4/12/24 at 9:41 am to mmcgrath
So sears or givens at the 1?
Posted on 4/12/24 at 10:21 am to JWill409
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I agree with him being able to run the floor some but he had stone feet in the pick and roll defensively and was limited to 5 feet from the basket. That can't happen with the type of system we run, it limits the offense to just a roll option on PNR. Our C needs to be one of the best players on the floor that can score from any level. It's the reason Baker had so many flashes of greatness, our system made him look much much better than he actually is, same with Hannibal.
It's also undeniable...and the numbers back it up...that outside of a few great scoring outburst by Baker, LSU performed better with Dean on the floor.
Average to bad coaches will have a "system" and try to force guys who can't be effective in it to play it. Great coaches figure our the strengths of their roster and play to it...even if that means their preferred "style" has to change somewhat from year to year.
If you can find a KJ Williams, great! Play through him. But if not, play differently.
I'm sure it will start a ridiculous fight (because it always does) but go compare the 18-19 LSU team with the 19-20 LSU team. The 18-19 team had Waters controlling the game at the PG spot with a lot of high ballscreen/pick and roll action with KBW and/or Reid. It was a good offense.
The next season LSU had Smart at PG and the "5" was either a 6'9 Freshman (Watford) who preferred to play more on the perimeter or a 6'7 player (Williams) who was a lengthy inside player. Smart was a much different PG than Waters. And Watford and Williams weren't the same type of player that KBW and Reid were. Yet LSU's offense got BETTER! They spread the floor more with the 19-20 group.
Different key players. Different styles. Both great results.
If McMahon MUST have his Center be a focal point of his offense, then he damn well better get one who can do it. If he can't find one, then he has to change his style to fit what he has. LSU's SEC Tournament game vs. Miss. St. was a maddening display of an unwillingness to adapt. The game completely changed almost immediately upon Dean coming on the floor. The fans watching and even the announcers recognized he was the single biggest difference maker on the court in the first half which ultimately ended with LSU, after struggling in the first 5 minutes of the game, with a 7 point lead at the half. One that probably would have been bigger but for a few dumb turnovers late.
So McMahon found the right lineup even though it wasn't the starting line up, right? Nope. He runs the starting 5 out there for the first 7:00 of the second half and LSU quickly gives up the lead by allowing MSU to outscore them 12-5 to start the half...all with Dean on the bench. Then, with LSU fighting to hang in late, McMahon puts Baker back into the game. LSU loses by 10. The final stat sheet shows that with Dean on the floor LSU was +4. With Baker on the floor LSU was -14!
Have a preferred style of play. Every coach does. But you damn well better be willing and able to quickly adapt if your players can't win playing your style.
Posted on 4/12/24 at 10:39 am to Alt26
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If McMahon MUST have his Center be a focal point of his offense,
I wouldn't say MUST, we have yet to fully run his system because we have had to adjust based on personnel. Hannibal is not your typical pick and roll PG, or any PG for that matter and Baker, was decent on offense but was all-time bad defensively. All things considered, he adjusted his system pretty well to suit his PG and C. I think everyone would agree both Hannibal and Baker produced more than expected on the offensive end. He's been fitting his system to his players and we had some decent success this year with players that still didn't fit the mold very well.
Reed as the 5 next year, is a perfect match. Will he go graban Avila at C? I'm not sure, but I'd rather have a guard heavy lineup that we can keep rotating in fresh legs so we can maximize our aggressive style of defense and also be able to run a 3 guard lineup if needed.
If you just look at the Guards, who was your primary threat from outside? Williams wasn't a threat until later on in the year. You had 1 guard in Ward that was reliable from 3. Stewart was terrible, Hannibal was terrible, Cook when he played was average at best.
Sears, Carter, Miller, Givens is already an upgrade from a 3 point standpoint, and it will make all the difference in the offense.
This post was edited on 4/12/24 at 10:45 am
Posted on 4/12/24 at 3:50 pm to slutiger5
quote:Yes, with Mike Williams rotating in too. Sears is 5'11".
So sears or givens at the 1?
Posted on 4/12/24 at 11:27 pm to mmcgrath
3 guards is pretty normal. I don’t see anyone running the offense over givens unless the sears kid’s A:TO is better come November. I did forget about cam, but don’t expect wright comparisons.
I hope sears and can have that leadership quality wright brought.
I hope sears and can have that leadership quality wright brought.
Posted on 4/13/24 at 10:09 am to slutiger5
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don’t see anyone running the offense over givens unless the sears kid’s A:TO is better come November
Givens may be talented, but McMahon didn’t bring in a 5th year player to come off the bench. Sears is the starting PG. That’s why LSU signed him. Now, that could change as the season goes on.
Things could always change, but the starting 1-3 is going to be Sears, Carter (possibly Williams), Ward.
Posted on 4/13/24 at 11:19 am to Alt26
Agreed unless we get Okani then I think the 1-3 might be Sears, Carter, and a battle between Okani and Ward. I really like Okani and his 2 way potential and additional rebounding from the wing. His length and shot blocking/changing and rebounding at the 3 could allow us to play less traditional bigs at the 4-5 without the drop off in rebounding and defense. Now if ward takes another similar leap like this year you might not be able to keep him out of the starting lineup but that would be a good problem to figure out
This post was edited on 4/13/24 at 11:24 am
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