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re: Boom #1 *Disregard, Offical TD Talent Evaluator, NotAStarGazer says he won't start at LSU*

Posted on 3/11/24 at 3:10 pm to
Posted by Jester
Baton Rouge
Member since Feb 2006
34356 posts
Posted on 3/11/24 at 3:10 pm to
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dude, Get a grip.

He is 6'2" 205 and is running a 10.48, and able to play in space. You are calling him a backup before he even grows into his projection what a clown take


Posted by Jester
Baton Rouge
Member since Feb 2006
34356 posts
Posted on 3/11/24 at 3:11 pm to
Okay, I finally watched his film. He is absolutely going to rise up the boards. He actually shows a lot of awareness to go with great speed. He does have some work to do on footwork in coverage, but he's a linebacker covering slot receivers.
This post was edited on 3/11/24 at 3:24 pm
Posted by NotaStarGazer
Member since Dec 2023
1126 posts
Posted on 3/11/24 at 4:00 pm to
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There you go. Guess Blake baker doesn’t know what he’s doing

I said I was finished posting but then the OP decided to name the topic after me so I guess I have a right to self-defense now. Once again, you act like Blake Baker is a God...he is NOT a God. I will come back at you and ask the following.
1) Are the 100+ programs including all the major ones other than LSU wrong on Ross? His offers are very weak even for a low 4*
2) Are all the recruiting services wrong on him since none of them have him rated highly?
3) Dave Campbell's publication and site is well thought of for Texas recruiting and he has rated the #91 player in Texas...so he is wrong also huh?
4) His highlights show no explosiveness at all and just a decent Texas HS player. So what...his good highlights haven't made the HUDL video yet?

Bottom line: Ross is worth a scholarship but will be a special teams and substitute player at whatever position he ends up at.
Posted by CatfishJohn
Member since Jun 2020
13542 posts
Posted on 3/11/24 at 4:01 pm to
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He is 6'2" 205 and is running a 10.48


So basically the perfect foundation for a top level LB. Kid will be be 6'2" 225 at LSU and have top shelf athleticism.

Posted by CatfishJohn
Member since Jun 2020
13542 posts
Posted on 3/11/24 at 4:02 pm to
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let me compare a 10.48 guy to west weeks. Said no one ever


Posted by NotaStarGazer
Member since Dec 2023
1126 posts
Posted on 3/11/24 at 4:08 pm to
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Because every low rated commit is a diamond in the rough that nobody else knows about according to this board


Yeah, I expect the "homer factor" on a forum like this but with Ross, it has turned into an obsession that just because Blake Baker offered him, he is a "diamond' that everyone has overlooked. Thank God, Baker is smarter than all the recruiting services...all the other good FCS programs...Dave Campbell's site which has been rating Texas football players for decades. This has gotten to the insanity stage that apparently Baker can never make a mistake and LSU can never have a reach on a prospect. Even for a homer site, I expected a bit more integrity than this.
Posted by NotaStarGazer
Member since Dec 2023
1126 posts
Posted on 3/11/24 at 4:10 pm to
Wait a minute. You are not allowed to project or to act like a coach. Others have told me I'm not allowed to do that yet magically you assume great improvement without him having even played his SR HS season. What utter hypocrisy!
Posted by CatfishJohn
Member since Jun 2020
13542 posts
Posted on 3/11/24 at 4:14 pm to
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Wait a minute. You are not allowed to project or to act like a coach. Others have told me I'm not allowed to do that yet magically you assume great improvement without him having even played his SR HS season. What utter hypocrisy!


I just assumed 20 lbs of weight. I said he has the perfect foundation for a top LB. He objectively has the right size and athleticism for this foundation. His offer list will explode.
Posted by NotaStarGazer
Member since Dec 2023
1126 posts
Posted on 3/11/24 at 4:17 pm to
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I just assumed 20 lbs of weight. I said he has the perfect foundation for a top LB. He objectively has the right size and athleticism for this foundation. His offer list will explode.

Your opinion is fine. I'm just saying I'm allowed mine also. I can't speak to his weight gain or loss but I have seen nothing in his highlights or his evaluations by objective sources (services, other schools, or me for that matter) to suggest your projection of him in ability or his offer list.
This post was edited on 3/11/24 at 4:18 pm
Posted by Cromulent
Down the Bayou
Member since Oct 2016
2813 posts
Posted on 3/11/24 at 5:05 pm to
You have to be in highschool. Or you move your wheelchair around by breathing into a tube
Posted by NotaStarGazer
Member since Dec 2023
1126 posts
Posted on 3/11/24 at 5:27 pm to
Wrong on both counts. Guess that is what you get when you buy a Ouija board or Magic 8 Ball on sale huh? Try Taro cards the next time.
Posted by CBP3110
Member since Aug 2012
6592 posts
Posted on 3/11/24 at 5:34 pm to
Man take your sorry arse somewhere else. Writing fricking novels for posts. Trying to get anybody to agree with your shitty posts. Clown show.
Posted by Chalkywhite84
New orleans
Member since Dec 2016
27289 posts
Posted on 3/11/24 at 5:39 pm to
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Jester


You gotta see the special man. Let me have it


I say, I say, I say. Frankie and Johnnie's

A staple of growing up here.
Posted by olgoi khorkhoi
priapism survivor
Member since May 2011
14871 posts
Posted on 3/11/24 at 6:18 pm to
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At the end of the day, a guy that can run a 10.48 at 200lbs is objectively fast, no matter what distance he is running.




No, bro. I broke down his film and he's slow as frick the first 77 meters and then turns it on for the last 23.
Posted by BackwardsLs
Member since Dec 2022
26 posts
Posted on 3/11/24 at 6:29 pm to
You hijacked the thread, I thought it was only right to give you a shoutout in the OP.

1. Bryce Underwood is the undisputed #1 player in the nation for the 2025 class, yet he doesn't have an offer from all 125+ D1 programs. Are they wrong about him being worth a scholarship offer and would any of those programs turn him down if he wanted to commit? I'll answer for you, no.
2. Were all the recruiting services correct when they had guys like Tate Martell, Korey Foreman, Tommy Brockermeyer, Brock Vandagriff, Arch Manning, Malachi Nelson, and dozens of others as "generational" or top 10-20 prospects who didn't pan out to be anywhere close to that? I'll answer for you, no.
3. Does Dave Campbell have the same size staff as On3, 247, Rivals, and ESPN and spend as much time watching these prospects in person at camps and in games, breaking down film, etc? I'll answer for you, no. He may be right on some and wrong on others but to pretend he is the ultimate say on TX HS football is cherry picking to the highest degree.
4. His highlights show explosiveness and that is backed up by verified 10.48 100m time at 6'2 200 pounds. Caden Durham ran a similar time at a similar weight and he's considered a HR-hitting RB and a top prospect in the nation. Is it a guarantee that he will be a multi-year starter because he is fast? Again...no.

But as everyone has pointed out, he comes from an elite HS program, he starts and plays all over the field, including blitzing and dropping into coverage on slot WRs which shows his versatility, and he has great size and blazing track times for that size. That's a great foundation to build upon. He may be Patrick Queen, he may be a guy like Josh White with good athleticism but just couldn't quite put it together. We won't know, but acting like you do at this point because of his offer list and highlights is pretty crazy.

Bottom line: you might be right, you might be wrong, but one thing is for sure...you should post less.
Posted by Lester Earl
Member since Nov 2003
278546 posts
Posted on 3/11/24 at 6:30 pm to
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a "diamond' that everyone has overlooke


Do you realize how many good underclassmen don’t have offers yet
Posted by NotaStarGazer
Member since Dec 2023
1126 posts
Posted on 3/11/24 at 6:56 pm to
Nooooo, I didn't hijack the thread. I am discussing the player Ross who committed and you simply don't like my opinion. That is not hijacking the thread, that is you being narrow-minded.
1) Your Underwood comment is mind-blowing! Of course he doesn't have an offer from everyone. Pretty sure La Tech would be wasting their time. You must not follow recruiting at all to try to make that a topic.
2) Of course the recruiting services miss a lot...in both directions. That is one reason I do my own viewing of highlights and check offers. But for every one they miss on, they hit about 5 to 10 right.
3) Dave Campbell, who is deceased BTW, obviously had more than a staff of one. And they don't have to have the staff of On3, 247, etc. Why? Because they only cover 1 state...Texas.
4) His highlights do not show explosiveness and there is a difference between speed and quickness which you don't seem to distinguish. BTW, odd that most of his times are 10.6+. I still ask the question if that 10.48 was wind aided

Funny, how you act like I'm jumping the gun on evaluating him at the same time you say he MIGHT be a Patrick Queen, etc.....ooooooorrrrrr he might not be which is my opinion based on viewing his highlights, his poor offers, and his recruiting ranking by services and Dave Campbell site

As far as me posting less, that isn't your call to make is it? If you don't care for my posts, I suggest you skip them. No one forced you to post a marathon post just now. Thanks for your concern on the worth of my posts. I will decline your suggestion.
Posted by NotaStarGazer
Member since Dec 2023
1126 posts
Posted on 3/11/24 at 7:05 pm to
This player is a 2025 guy. But we are over a month into the current recruiting class and Notre Dame already have 17 commits. You want to guess the number of LSU offers according to 247 sports? Try 175! They have offered 175 prospects for the class of 2025. You are using 20 year old metrics on your offer timeframe. They offer more players earlier every year...not just LSU...everybody. Want another team's numbers? Texas A&M according to 247 has offered 378 players for the class of 2025. Hmmm, 378 players offered and Ross from A&M's state has no offer.

BTW, you think it is early? The NCAA is about to take up a potential September football signing period which will be 3 months earlier than the current early signing period... the first part of December.
This post was edited on 3/11/24 at 7:18 pm
Posted by BackwardsLs
Member since Dec 2022
26 posts
Posted on 3/11/24 at 7:57 pm to
I have no issue with your opinion, you're entitled to it just as everyone else is. I'm not narrow-minded, I (and everyone else) just said you should wait to see how he develops as a SR before (objectively) stating that he will never start a game at LSU based on your analysis of his film. That is being narrow-minded.

1. You stated that because a majority of the 125 FBS teams have not offered Ross, he will not be an impact player at LSU. My point was (and you noted in your response) that most schools realize they would just be wasting resources so strictly looking at an offer sheet is not a fair assessment. Players also embellish their offer lists and report offers they do not have. Schools dive into film and throw out tons of offers after JR seasons and his offer list has grown recently and will certainly continue to grow.

2. Recruiting services do not hit on 83-89% of all players in a given class. Far from it.

3. Right, but even though they only cover one state, they still have less eyes on these players than On3, 247, etc. and are subject to misses just as frequently if not more than those services because of the resources available to them. No one is perfect in this industry.

4. That's fine, your definition of explosiveness is different than mine (and everyone else in this thread and multiple HS coach's/talent evaluator's opinions on other forums who rave about his "explosiveness", ability to shed blocks, cover, blitz, etc.) and that's fair. Straight-line speed and lateral agility, short area burst, etc. are all very different and I recognize that. But for a kid his size, who will still get bigger, he seems to be at least above average on all fronts and projects to continue to get better.

I'm acknowledging that he might be the best LB ever at LSU, he might be the worst LB ever at LSU, ORRRR he might fall somewhere in between, but definitely stating that he will never start a game at LSU based on JR highlights is jumping the gun 100%. No one knows how he will develop; you gave your opinion (dozens of times) so we know where you stand. The horse is dead, no need to beat it further. By the way, he's top 300 currently and trending upwards by all accounts. Wouldn't call that a poor rating. Let's see how his offer list and ranking looks after his SR year and we can revisit.

You've posted 3 Harry Potter novels in this thread, compared to my singular follow-up post attempting to address your comments. But keep yelling at the sky, maybe someone will listen!
Posted by NotaStarGazer
Member since Dec 2023
1126 posts
Posted on 3/11/24 at 8:20 pm to
The fact that it is my opinion is subjective not objective. I gave a subjective analysis of Ross' ability and once again say he won't start a game for LSU in his career.
1) I didn't criticize his offers being less than 125. Where in the world you got that I guess you just made it up. What I said was his offers were poor. He basically has no impressive offers other than LSU....period! Your projection of his growth of offers is subjective opinion on your part...no proof whatsoever.
2) Recruiting services hit on a lot more than they miss on. I assume you have seen the 5* and 4* numbers eventually getting to the NFL. As my userid implies, that is not the be all and end all but I never said the services were idiots.
3) Dave Campbell's site has a pretty good track record
4) No one has supplied cherry-picked HS coaches opinions but I'm sure they are coming. Those opinions need to be shared with major colleges who are ignoring the guy
Once again, I am projecting my opinion on Charles Ross. I have stated from day 1 that he is worth a scholarship but some posters have him in the top 50 in his class. Thus, what is the difference between me projecting my opinion and they projecting theirs?
You made a statement that he is "trending upwards by all accounts". Exactly what accounts are those?
BTW, I said I would end my posting on this thread. Then the original poster included my name in the title and others started posting directly towards me. Want to end the dead horse beating. Simple suggestion: we call all stop posting on this thread. Otherwise, it is hypocritical to say it is me continuing this deal.
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