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A quick thought on perceived physical limitations of recruits
Posted on 9/20/10 at 6:41 am
Posted on 9/20/10 at 6:41 am
I see fans/experts talk about guys like Rivers, who many are sure has a sub par arm even though he can't show it off, and I am reminded of Dez Bryant. Yea, stick with me here.
Revisionist history says Bryant couldn't get the big offers and attention early and often solely because of his grades. That may be correct, hard to know since we aren't Mack Brown or Les Miles. But those of us that follow recruiting remember a chorus that accompanied Bryant's grade problems: He isn't fast enough. Experts/fans watched his tape, saw him display excellent hands (best WR hands highlights ever?), but didn't see him run away from as many people as most elite WRs do. Thus, he wasn't fast enough to be worth the grades risk.
Today? Bryant can turn the corner on NFL players with angles and burn them to toast. My point here? You may think you know, but you don't know. Even on physical attributes and abilities.
Revisionist history says Bryant couldn't get the big offers and attention early and often solely because of his grades. That may be correct, hard to know since we aren't Mack Brown or Les Miles. But those of us that follow recruiting remember a chorus that accompanied Bryant's grade problems: He isn't fast enough. Experts/fans watched his tape, saw him display excellent hands (best WR hands highlights ever?), but didn't see him run away from as many people as most elite WRs do. Thus, he wasn't fast enough to be worth the grades risk.
Today? Bryant can turn the corner on NFL players with angles and burn them to toast. My point here? You may think you know, but you don't know. Even on physical attributes and abilities.
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Posted on 9/20/10 at 7:43 am to Tigercat
Didnt read all that, but if u seriously think rivers is going to start at lsu u need ur head checked
Posted on 9/20/10 at 8:10 am to Tigercat
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but didn't see him run away from as many people as most elite WRs do.
I followed his recruiting pretty closely because I thought his WR film was the best I had ever seen. I never heard anyone talk about physical limitations, and if they did, they were morons.
Posted on 9/20/10 at 8:12 am to LSUfoosball
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if u seriously think rivers is going to start at lsu u need ur head checked
1. Andrew Hatch started a game at LSU just 2 seasons ago.
2. Lots of time between now and 2013-14. Not all kids stop improving at 17.
Posted on 9/20/10 at 8:42 am to Rouge
I get the point you are trying to prove, but citing Dez Bryant as your example of a player with physical limitations is pretty awful. Maybe Jacob Hester. Everyone wanted LSU to take a chance on Dez Bryant because he was a physical freak with outstanding athletic ability.
Posted on 9/20/10 at 8:45 am to Tigercat
Not sure abut Bryant, but very similar things were thought of Crabtree during his recruitment. Even though LSU didn't really recruit him.
Posted on 9/20/10 at 9:08 am to LSUfoosball
I am out of the mindset that says LSU needs a QB who can throw the ball 75 yards while on his knees. A servicable arm on a QB who can read defenses and plays smart is perfectly ok. A qb can win with his mental abilities as well as his physical. I'm not really saying that rivers is a football genius or puts in the time watching tapes (I don't know the guy), but I am not going to judge on purely physical attributes.
Posted on 9/20/10 at 10:16 am to LSUfoosball
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if u seriously think rivers is going to start at lsu u need ur head checked
Posted on 9/20/10 at 10:23 am to 800lbgorilla
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I am out of the mindset that says LSU needs a QB who can throw the ball 75 yards while on his knees. A servicable arm on a QB who can read defenses and plays smart is perfectly ok.
yes...the film that impresses me is that of a qb who has identified his best two options "before" the snap and shows the touch to put throws on target and at pace.
think Joe Montana...Troy Aikman...Dan Marino. even tho these examples possessed the long ball , it was their ability to see the field, protect the rock and sustain drives with medium and short passes that made them, and their teams, so dangerous.
Posted on 9/20/10 at 10:32 am to Tigercat
I don't think Bryant's physical skills were ever questioned.
The problem is, he should have never qualified. Bigger schools didn't want to assume that risk.
OSU pulled some shenanigans to get him in school.
The problem is, he should have never qualified. Bigger schools didn't want to assume that risk.
OSU pulled some shenanigans to get him in school.
Posted on 9/20/10 at 10:43 am to Tigercat
Not sure if that's true about Bryant, but even if true - not sure what is to be done about that.
Take slower guys and hope they get faster? Take weaker-armed QBs and hope they get stronger?
Or just take the best players you can.
Take slower guys and hope they get faster? Take weaker-armed QBs and hope they get stronger?
Or just take the best players you can.
Posted on 9/20/10 at 12:10 pm to Tigercat
i can't remember anyone talking about physical limitations associated with Dez Bryant....
his deficiency was all mental... didn't have the grades and scores to qualify til late in the game, and by that time we moved on to a JUCO player, putting more emphasis on the 5 star receiver we were recruiting...
D. Byrd did well for us, and Terrence Tolliver could be if we had a QB that could actually get him the ball further than 3 yards from the LOS...
his deficiency was all mental... didn't have the grades and scores to qualify til late in the game, and by that time we moved on to a JUCO player, putting more emphasis on the 5 star receiver we were recruiting...
D. Byrd did well for us, and Terrence Tolliver could be if we had a QB that could actually get him the ball further than 3 yards from the LOS...
Posted on 9/20/10 at 12:34 pm to Tigercat
thats basically the same thing you can argue about wes welker. he was always viewed as too short/small/white to be an elite NFL receiver. even the dolphins traded him away thinking he's nothing more than a return specialist. 3 years/ 360 catches for 3800 yards and 18 TD's later says he's a great complementary receiver for randy moss' game breaking receiver. 
Posted on 9/20/10 at 12:42 pm to Tigercat
Miles needs to double down and recruit a second QB for next years' freshmen class.
Posted on 9/20/10 at 12:43 pm to LSUROCKS52
Welker had the triple knock for receivers.
1) He's white.
2) He's short.
3) He played in a system that people believed just produced stat mongers and not actually good players.
Glad he's doing well for himself. He's a player.
1) He's white.
2) He's short.
3) He played in a system that people believed just produced stat mongers and not actually good players.
Glad he's doing well for himself. He's a player.
Posted on 9/21/10 at 6:47 pm to 800lbgorilla
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...A servicable arm on a QB who can read defenses and plays smart is perfectly ok. A qb can win with his mental abilities as well as his physical...I am not going to judge on purely physical attributes.
You are right on. Surround a smart QB with good athletes and if he has an adequate arm, but decent feet, doesn't do anything to "lose the game," is so prepared that he distributes the ball to the right guys at the right time, etc...you can win at the BCS level. Look at Krentzal from Ohio State, both LSU Nat'l championship QB's, Alabama from last season, etc. If you aren't going to be running down field as a QB, who caes about your 40 time, etc.
Posted on 9/21/10 at 6:57 pm to byubengalboy
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..the film that impresses me is that of a qb who has identified his best two options "before" the snap and shows the touch to put throws on target and at pace.
think Joe Montana...Troy Aikman...Dan Marino. even tho these examples possessed the long ball , it was their ability to see the field, protect the rock and sustain drives with medium and short passes that made them, and their teams, so dangerous.
Montana was almost as good as Tarkenton at running. Montana was interested in finding the chains. He got out of bounds.
He moved the chains. Sustaining drives. You got it.
Posted on 9/21/10 at 6:58 pm to Livingston25
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If you aren't going to be running down field as a QB, who caRes about your 40 time, etc.
here comes MINGO. run MF.
Posted on 9/21/10 at 7:06 pm to ottothewise
People can get too caught up in combine numbers and miss out on quality football players. But in my opinion, doing the opposite is just as ignorant. Matt Leinart appeared to have all the intangibles. In college, he was one of those Qbs who won games at all levels. He looked to be a great leader.He was accurate with his passes and ran the offense well. The thing with Leinart was he lobbed every single pass he threw and let his superiour athletes run under the ball. The same goes for Danny Wuerffel and Jason White.
Posted on 9/21/10 at 7:42 pm to KingofthePoint
You are right, but all thee were very successful college QB's with two winning national championships. White had bad knee problems of course and had very limited mobility. Also, all three were character guys, like Krentzel, Mauck, Flynn, etc...natural leaders.
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