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re: 2017 OL Seth Stewart commits!
Posted on 7/23/16 at 9:50 pm to Russell2Bowe
Posted on 7/23/16 at 9:50 pm to Russell2Bowe
Boom! 
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Posted on 7/24/16 at 2:21 am to wryder1
Chidi Okeke-Valentine is a true elite LT prospect so lets see how he pans out. And congrats to SOS.
Posted on 7/24/16 at 5:32 am to ipodking
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You act like "true" left tackles grow on trees
1) Evidently they are this year. This is a deep year at LT's so we need to get some.
2) We are one of the few big time schools left that run a pro-style offense. If you're going to run this style offense, you better devote a ton of time, energy and money in to recruiting elite Olinemen since they are critical to that style offense. We don't get the ball out of the QB's hands quickly and we usually don't move the pocket so we need athletic guys that can control elite pass rushers.
3) With the style ball we play, we should be known more as olineU and DlineU, not just primarily DBU. Don't get me wrong, I love the talent at DB but under Les, which is more important, ridiculous 5 star depth at DB or ridiculous 4-5 star depth at Oline?
This is just a case of knowing who you are, what you want to become and recruiting to the right players to fullfil that. I don't think Frank Wilson did that but Orgeron is. We are getting bigger and more athletic on both sides of the ball along with more talent in the trenches. If we keep this up, we will get better but we need to add 1-2 more elite OT's in each class.
Posted on 7/24/16 at 5:42 am to GorgeousGeorge
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Chidi Okeke-Valentine is a true elite LT prospect so lets see how he pans out. And congrats to SOS.
I agree but when you want a guy like Fournette and Guice, then you get them here, you better have the Oline to finish the vision you have for them. We needed Robinson but Miles halfassed that recruiting job. Now he's with the bad guys.
He had Pocic but no C so he had to move Pocic to center. Now we can't move the only true LT on the team, that is mentally and physically ready, to LT. This is our last year with Fournette and we don't have a true LT. That's a piss poor job of planning when you have those 2 running backs to sell Olinmen to block for.
I know there are a ton of Miles apologists and those that think Frank Wilson can do no wrong but the facts are that we put more emphasis on recruiting rankings when Wilson and Frank were in charge. We loaded up on WR's, DB's, RB's and took whatever we could get everywhere else.
Now that Orgeron is in charge, with Miles, we see a whole new strategy. We are loading up in the trenches, with size and athletic ability, going after more LB's and taking great WR's that are ready to get on board now rather than waste time until Feb trying to convince some. We are using our time wisely going after positions of need that fit what we want to do. I don't think we are done at OT and I sure hope we aren't.
Posted on 7/24/16 at 5:56 am to wryder1
I'm amused by the rant's ability to give credit to assistant coaches when we land recruits. (Grimes is doing a great job....Corey Raymond is a super recruiter...etc.) but when we miss on a recruit or he elects to go elsewhere it's Miles' fault. Love how that works.
Posted on 7/24/16 at 7:11 am to wryder1
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I'm all for the projects on Oline and Dline because things are won and loss in the trenches. Plus, we have a coach that wants to play ball control but he recruits projects everywhere but the trenches until lately. Why do we need so many WR's and DB's when we should be stacking the trenches and LB. I like our Oline class but we better not be done. We need a true dominant LT since there are so many this year. Deculus is a great OT but you never know where Miles will put him... Center? LG? RT? Teheuma is a great Oline prospect but isn't a true LT. If we struggle this year protecting the QB, it'll be right there. It won't be his fault, it'll be the fact that Miles hasn't recruited a true Elite LT when his style offense requires one.
We have been recruiting them. We just haven't got any pure LTs or guys who had some potential but ended up on the right side or guard.
They see MT as one who can make that transition. Folks down on MT because hey saw him get beat by Key in the Spring game. First and foremost, its a small sample size from a glorified scrimmage. Second, its Arden Key. He and Tim Williams may end up being the two best pass rushers in the SEC this year. Key and Williams can make any LT look silly!!!
The guy who was suppose to be our franchise LT a few years ago went to Bama. Losing Cam Robinson hurt tremendously. The main recruiter we had for him is no longer in BR. I have trust that Grimes will land us that true LT that the coaches can all agree on should be our franchise LT for the future.
Posted on 7/24/16 at 8:40 am to RichardT
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I'm amused by the rant's ability to give credit to assistant coaches when we land recruits. (Grimes is doing a great job....Corey Raymond is a super recruiter...etc.) but when we miss on a recruit or he elects to go elsewhere it's Miles' fault. Love how that works.
I'm also amazed how ignorant some of our fans are. Since Miles has gotten here, how many Olinemen has he put in the NFL? What kind of offense has he been determined to run? What does that offense need to work?
When you are determined to run at 8-9 man fronts then you better have the linemen big enough, mean enough and athletic enough to handle the load. You also better be deep because injuries will occur when you have that many big bodies piling up on one another.
Has Miles consistently recruited the Olinemen to do that? No
Has he recruited the depth to do that? No
Did he hire the right Oline coach to do that? Until Grimes... No
So who's fault is it RichardT, if it isn't Les Miles fault? He hs been here since 2005 and we are just now recruiting Oline like we should be. Who's fault is it?
This post was edited on 7/24/16 at 8:40 am
Posted on 7/24/16 at 8:59 am to wryder1
George Brown or Chidi okeke could be all american LT's we dont know yet. I trust in Grimes.
Posted on 7/24/16 at 9:44 am to wryder1
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I agree but when you want a guy like Fournette and Guice, then you get them here, you better have the Oline to finish the vision you have for them. We needed Robinson but Miles halfassed that recruiting job. Now he's with the bad guys. He had Pocic but no C so he had to move Pocic to center. Now we can't move the only true LT on the team, that is mentally and physically ready, to LT. This is our last year with Fournette and we don't have a true LT. That's a piss poor job of planning when you have those 2 running backs to sell Olinmen to block for. I know there are a ton of Miles apologists and those that think Frank Wilson can do no wrong but the facts are that we put more emphasis on recruiting rankings when Wilson and Frank were in charge. We loaded up on WR's, DB's, RB's and took whatever we could get everywhere else. Now that Orgeron is in charge, with Miles, we see a whole new strategy. We are loading up in the trenches, with size and athletic ability, going after more LB's and taking great WR's that are ready to get on board now rather than waste time until Feb trying to convince some. We are using our time wisely going after positions of need that fit what we want to do. I don't think we are done at OT and I sure hope we aren't.
I will agree that coach O is a master at organizing the recruiting efforts and pre-planning where we need to focus on to complete the depth charts. I think we may have one more OL in mind. I did not think this just a few weeks but that was just a hunch.
Not getting Robinson hurt very much. He was going to be our franchise LT. It set us back. We do need to see if we can land an elite LT. If not, perhaps Seth Stewart can become that or Chidi? But that won't guarantee immediate impact like a CR would have.
But, I disagree with two things. CLM did not 'halfass' CR's recruitment. Stud did all he could. He is just not an elite recruiter. CLM did his part. There were some unique dynamics going in Monroe area back then, if you know what I mean. Word on the street is that there has been a change. When there are too many handlers and dirty stuff going on that is anti LSU this kind of stuff happens.
And there we go again with the word "Les Miles apologists'. What the hay are people apologizing for? Just because someone sides with the coaches on certain issues vs. fan negativity does not mean they are apologizing for anyone but stating an opinion. Such a silly term. It does not make someone more intelligent using it.
Posted on 7/24/16 at 9:48 am to wryder1
Welcome Seth! 
Thanks for turning a commitment thread into a listen to you bitch thread
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wryder
Thanks for turning a commitment thread into a listen to you bitch thread
Posted on 7/24/16 at 9:51 am to wryder1
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I'm also amazed how ignorant some of our fans are. Since Miles has gotten here, how many Olinemen has he put in the NFL? What kind of offense has he been determined to run? What does that offense need to work? When you are determined to run at 8-9 man fronts then you better have the linemen big enough, mean enough and athletic enough to handle the load. You also better be deep because injuries will occur when you have that many big bodies piling up on one another. Has Miles consistently recruited the Olinemen to do that? No Has he recruited the depth to do that? No Did he hire the right Oline coach to do that? Until Grimes... No So who's fault is it RichardT, if it isn't Les Miles fault? He hs been here since 2005 and we are just now recruiting Oline like we should be. Who's fault is it?
The one thing that could have gone better is letting go of Stud a couple of years earlier. Not exactly cut out to be an SEC coach long term. He was ok for a just a few years but not almost 7. But give credit where credit is due. CLM did hire Grimes and that has certainly worked out in recruiting. We just need to improve on our performance in November and open up holes for our running game and protect the QB vs. OM, Bama and Arky.
So we can quit with the blame game. That is a specialty of Negatigerism. Mistakes are made by many programs including Bama. No program is perfect. Its up to the coaches to identify issues and weaknesses. CLM has done that in the past and present. Maybe not as soon as we like. But it gets done.
I see you are in Birmigham. It shows. If I lived in Birmingham and was a LSU man it would wear on me too and warp my perception a little bit. I can understand how that would make some one have some negative views about LSU football and by hypercritical when you have to hear from the competition 24/7. I will give you the benefit of the doubt. Believe me, I feel for you:)>
Posted on 7/24/16 at 10:10 am to wryder1
wryder, that's not my point. If you're going to fault Miles for lack of offensive lineman in the NFL than give him credit for the ones who do make it. The giving the assistants credit for the good and Miles credit for the bad is the point.
Do we give Miles credit for having more DBs in the NFL than anyone else in the SEC or does the credit go to the DB coaches?
By the way. In the interest of fairness LSU has 5 offensive lineman listed on NFL rosters which is about average for SEC schools. By comparison Alabama has the most at 10.
Do we give Miles credit for having more DBs in the NFL than anyone else in the SEC or does the credit go to the DB coaches?
By the way. In the interest of fairness LSU has 5 offensive lineman listed on NFL rosters which is about average for SEC schools. By comparison Alabama has the most at 10.
Posted on 7/24/16 at 10:12 am to joechristoppher77
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This guy is gonna entertain for years, I can feel it lol
Peter Dyakowski 2.0?
Posted on 7/24/16 at 10:21 am to wryder1
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ridiculous 4-5 star depth at Oline?
LSU has signed 9 olinemen in the last two classes. We have 4 committed right now for 2017. That's a ton of oline depth.
Posted on 7/24/16 at 10:28 am to wryder1
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I'm also amazed how ignorant some of our fans are. Since Miles has gotten here, how many Olinemen has he put in the NFL?
Dude GTFO of here with this shite.
LSU leads the league in NFL players, and you want to point out the position we are relatively weak at. We still are in the top 10-15 out if all schools for OL in the league.
And by the way, as you said, we have a ball control style team, not just offense. Defense has as much to do with that as offense does, and our alumni are extremely well represented on that side of the ball. Try looking at things from an overall perspective. Despite your myopic view on the success of our lineman, we still manage to be one of the top rushing teams year in and year out.
This is a commitment thread, take this bullshite to the rant.
Posted on 7/24/16 at 12:44 pm to Russell2Bowe
Posted on 7/24/16 at 12:58 pm to Russell2Bowe
Big lad.
Need more of them.
Rather be known as hogU than dbu.
Need more of them.
Rather be known as hogU than dbu.
Posted on 7/25/16 at 12:14 am to Russell2Bowe
This kid's offer list didn't match up with the film I just watched(regardless of WV competition)..now it's time to get Moffitized and schooled in trench warfare.
LSU has landed a BEAST!
LSU has landed a BEAST!
Posted on 7/25/16 at 12:29 am to TheRoarRestoredInBR
No doubt this kids upside is unbelievable. On his frame, he could easily go from 320-325 to 350 of hardcore muscle.
He could play just about anywhere on the OL and technically he would be a menace at NT with his height being between 6'8" - 6'9".
Very excited about this guy!
He could play just about anywhere on the OL and technically he would be a menace at NT with his height being between 6'8" - 6'9".
Very excited about this guy!
Posted on 7/25/16 at 1:20 pm to Thurber
This dude is a monster. It doesn't look like he has much fat on him
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