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Settling PVC Pipe Cracked - How to Stop

Posted on 10/31/23 at 6:51 pm
Posted by PerplenGold
TX
Member since Nov 2021
1185 posts
Posted on 10/31/23 at 6:51 pm
What's the process for getting a pipe to stop settling?

My house collects rainwater. The main line to the tank is 6" PVC. A 3-way junction cracked. Initially it was a hairline crack. I patched it a couple times with JB Weld epoxy. It's settled more and the crack has gotten larger.

It's under pavers so pulling them for access isn't a huge issue. Putting them back down will be a PIA. But how to get this big arse pipe to stop settling? It was installed 6 years ago and the contractor isn't being much help.

Thanks
Posted by ItzMe1972
Member since Dec 2013
9824 posts
Posted on 10/31/23 at 9:00 pm to
How about a rubber boot to connect the two?
Posted by Commander Rabb
Member since Feb 2020
793 posts
Posted on 10/31/23 at 9:11 pm to
Abandon and reroute. That’s what I did.
Posted by Spankum
Miss-sippi
Member since Jan 2007
56105 posts
Posted on 10/31/23 at 9:20 pm to
First of all, do you need 6” pipe? I don’t quite know the system that you are talking about, but can you replace with heavier wall pvc?

Could you replace with 2” Pex? That would be a lot more flexible.

If we are not talking about drinking water, the pipe would get a lot cheaper yet.
Posted by Buds4
Unfortunately, Earth
Member since Oct 2022
158 posts
Posted on 10/31/23 at 9:30 pm to
Dig out the section that is a problem and surround the pipe with gravel. It will give enough to allow the pipe to move
Posted by baseballmind1212
Missouri City
Member since Feb 2011
3262 posts
Posted on 11/1/23 at 4:46 am to
Dig it out, replace the fitting, and bed in cement stabilized sand. Google directions on a diy mix. Not sure why this still hasn't become the norm in residential construction it solves so many issues.
Posted by baldona
Florida
Member since Feb 2016
20514 posts
Posted on 11/1/23 at 6:25 am to
You have a rainwater collection system with a 6” pipe is what you are saying? 6” pvc is pretty damn strong so you have some serious forces working on it to crack it, you need to fix that or it won’t. As said 6” seems overdone?
Posted by Jon A thon
Member since May 2019
1676 posts
Posted on 11/1/23 at 7:17 am to
quote:

You have a rainwater collection system with a 6” pipe is what you are saying? 6” pvc is pretty damn strong so you have some serious forces working on it to crack it, you need to fix that or it won’t. As said 6” seems overdone?



My assumption is the 6" pipe is run underground to a catch tank. I assume the catch tank is above ground. So the 6" pipe probably has water in it at all times? Could be visualizing this totally wrong though. If it is a 6" pipe filled with water at all times, that's not going to be light, hence settling the settling. Likely need a pretty solid base of limestone or under the pipe before covering to assist in stopping that. Smaller pipe would help with the weight, but may hinder flow when it's raining, since a system as described is relying on hydrostatics to fill the catch tank and unless your house is on top of a hill, you don't have a ton of pressure working for you.
Posted by keakar
Member since Jan 2017
30123 posts
Posted on 11/1/23 at 11:32 am to
quote:

Settling PVC Pipe Cracked - How to Stop


cut the broken fitting, replace the broken fitting, then add rubber couplers on both ends to allow it to flex as it settles.

its not rocket science, you cant stop the ground from settling after you build on it, you built on it before the ground was properly compacted so now you just have to deal with it.

this is what you need to buy LINK
Posted by Jmcc64
alabama
Member since Apr 2021
555 posts
Posted on 11/1/23 at 1:46 pm to
Is this Schedule pipe or S&D? sounds like S&D
Posted by PerplenGold
TX
Member since Nov 2021
1185 posts
Posted on 11/1/23 at 2:56 pm to
40

It's schedule 40 and cracked in the thick part of the junction. Gonna have to bust the slab a bit to get to the upstream pipe. Pull a bunch more pavers.

This 6" pipe removes water from the roof and is a bit oversized due to the possibility of massive TX storms. Not sure how many inches of rain an hour it can handle but it collects 2k gallons/inch.

The designer/installer of the rainwater system has responded to me. Just want to make sure we properly fix the settling issue so this damn pipe can be buried once and for all. Right now, with the crack, it's dumping water from the roof right outside the front door. Paver drainage wasn't calculated with that in mind.
Posted by LSU82BILL
Fort Lauderdale, FL
Member since Sep 2006
10334 posts
Posted on 11/2/23 at 1:56 pm to
Remove more pavers and tunnel beneath the slab instead of trenching through it.
Posted by baldona
Florida
Member since Feb 2016
20514 posts
Posted on 11/2/23 at 4:19 pm to
Does anything heavy go over the pavers? Looks more like the pipe wasn't buried enough and the weight on the pavers broke it over a settling issue.
Posted by doubleb
Baton Rouge
Member since Aug 2006
36179 posts
Posted on 11/2/23 at 6:01 pm to
A side note. 6” pipe carries twice the volume of 4” pipe and because of silt and other crud that can be washed into a line, I strongly recommend 6” drain pipe underground.
Posted by PerplenGold
TX
Member since Nov 2021
1185 posts
Posted on 11/2/23 at 6:48 pm to
quote:

My assumption is the 6" pipe is run underground to a catch tank. I assume the catch tank is above ground. So the 6" pipe probably has water in it at all times?


Yes & no. It is underground to an above ground tank. Weight of water in the downspouts pushes water up into the tank. The system is overbuilt but it works great when it’s not cracked.

The no part is the pipes are drained during dry spells. Stagnant water between rains is cleared out instead of going in the tank. Also don’t want mosquitos laying eggs and getting in the tank.

So the 6” pipe gets very heavy and then comparatively light. Still shouldn’t settle tho.
Posted by PerplenGold
TX
Member since Nov 2021
1185 posts
Posted on 11/2/23 at 6:55 pm to
quote:

ts not rocket science, you cant stop the ground from settling after you build on it, you built on it before the ground was properly compacted so now you just have to deal with it.


House and rainwater system were built 8 years ago. No other signs anywhere of settling.
Posted by PerplenGold
TX
Member since Nov 2021
1185 posts
Posted on 11/2/23 at 6:58 pm to
quote:

Does anything heavy go over the pavers? Looks more like the pipe wasn't buried enough and the weight on the pavers broke it over a settling issue.


No, the slab line marks the start of a covered front porch. Nothing heavy gets that close to the house.
Posted by AndyCBR
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Nov 2012
7557 posts
Posted on 11/2/23 at 11:54 pm to
Is there a 90 degree bend there?

Hard to tell from the picture.

Are you sure the thrust loads in the pipe from the water aren't putting stress on the pipe and cracking the fitting.

Most pipes of any size with flowing water get a concrete thrust block at every corner to strengthen the fitting junction. I wonder if the paver sand settled and then the pipe can move in response to the thrust load.
Posted by PerplenGold
TX
Member since Nov 2021
1185 posts
Posted on 11/3/23 at 1:49 pm to
Yes, 90 degree between the 6” downspout and 6” main line.

The crack is at the downstream end of the junction where the pipe inserts into the junction. In other words the junction cracked but the downstream pipe did not.

Hmm, something to talk to the installer about. He’s designed & installed many systems. Says this is the first time he’s seen this. Also getting a 2nd opinion.
Posted by AndyCBR
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Nov 2012
7557 posts
Posted on 11/4/23 at 12:15 pm to
It seems like the gap in the picture is wider at one side like the pipe may be crooked or skewed.

I wonder if the pipe was buried under tension to begin with or when the backfill was done and it just put stress on the pipe and cracked it over time.
This post was edited on 11/4/23 at 12:23 pm
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