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re: Any HVAC Professionals?

Posted on 5/8/19 at 5:11 pm to
Posted by CrawDude
Baton Rouge
Member since Apr 2019
5558 posts
Posted on 5/8/19 at 5:11 pm to
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I know humidity is bad down there but do you think you need that? What indoor humidity levels do you regularly see now?

Good question and I’ll preface by saying I agree with every comment and recommendation you made. Here is my rationale.

My present single stage HVAC does a good of controlling humidity (single speed blower motor) keeping RH at 43-55%. But there are few days in South Louisiana during the year where outdoor humidity is not excessively high. During spring and fall transition periods you can have pleasant outdoor temps where the HVAC doesn’t need to run but we still have uncomfortably high humidities. So you either run the AC , keeping it cooler than we personally like it to remove humidity, or don’t run the AC to maintain a pleasant temperature but then deal with an uncomfortably high humidity. Ditto in winter when you are running heat, and not removing humidity, but still have a highly humid environment outside. And these transition seasons are often compounded by numerous rainy days. We average about 58-60 inches of rain annually. My wife also deals with chronic allergy/sinus infections, so humidity control/air filtration is an important consideration when I replace our HVAC system.

I’d say my HVAC does a good job of removing/controlling humidity 10 months out of the year b/c as you can surmise, we cool many more months than we heat. I will replace my current HVAC with a more efficient unit though I’m still undecided on a single stage, two-stage, or variable compressor speed (multistage) unit. Will definitely have a variable speed air handler. There are other issues I must resolve, not related to cost but more so with potential moisture/condensation issues, when considering the variable speed units which of course if set up properly do an excellent job of humidity control and stabilization, but still not 12 months out of the year.

I’ve done a good bit of reading, the HVAC-Talk forum being one, and a HVAC professional “Teddy Bear” who resides in south FL is a guru on this subject and he is a strong advocate of whole house dehumidification in hot humid climates. His answers/recommendation on home dehumification are thorough, very analytical, and he crunches the numbers for just about every answer he provides. There is also a forensic building inspector that does a weekly home improvement radio program on WWL radio, New Orleans, Paul LaGrange, whose job deals mostly with with humidity/moisture issues in residential and commercial properties in the New Orleans area and he is a strong advocate for whole house dehumidification systems in the humid Gulf South. He states these units solve many moisture issues in our area for residential home owners, but i don’t think they are that common in our area, but maybe more so since major flooding events that have occurred in our area the past few years.

They all pretty much say with whole-house dehumidification systems you can typically set your thermostat a little higher (energy savings) but still maintain a very nice human comfort level.

Now, I haven’t gotten cost estimates from a installer for a whole house dehumidification system but I have a pretty good idea of the cost of the equipment that would be required for my house. Watched several install videos and it’s not a complicated install, and my attic has all the needed infrastructure and space for an easy install. So unless the price is much higher than I am expecting, I’m inclined to do this. If much higher, well then I just might live with what I got.
Posted by notsince98
KC, MO
Member since Oct 2012
18852 posts
Posted on 5/8/19 at 6:35 pm to
Yes. Teddy loves basic single stage systems with whole home dehumidifier.

I am sure it would work well.

I wonder how much those cost?
Posted by CrawDude
Baton Rouge
Member since Apr 2019
5558 posts
Posted on 5/9/19 at 4:00 pm to
costs for whole house dehumidifier installed?

LINK

How accurate???? Though I don’t know for sure, based on videos I’ve watched I wouldn’t expect an labor to exceed $1K 1 man- all day, 2 men, 1/2 day. Looks like a 70 to 90 pint per hour unit runs between $1,200-$1,600. I’m thinking $2.5-3K.

For the one HVAC quote I’ve received to date (Trane) there is a $5K increase in price from a 16 Seer single stage unit to a 17 Seer Dual Stage Unit (that $ jump surprised me) and a $6K increase to a 18 Seer Variable Speed (multi-stage unit).

Posted by cajuncarguy
On the road...Again!
Member since Jun 2013
3135 posts
Posted on 5/9/19 at 5:13 pm to
That's one problem. If unit is too big it doesn't run long enough to dehumidify.
Posted by MayhemMike
Austin, TX
Member since Jun 2011
149 posts
Posted on 5/17/19 at 12:05 pm to
The tech came out - Said nothing wrong with units and how they were mismatched and installed. He did check the refrigerant and it was severely under charged.

Excuse was.. "It's hard to charge when its cold".

He topped it off. Inside humidity sitting about 63%. He had a tool to measure it himself and it was only 1% off from the nest.
Posted by CrawDude
Baton Rouge
Member since Apr 2019
5558 posts
Posted on 5/17/19 at 1:20 pm to
Sounds like a start, and though i’m not HVAC professional, I have gotten the impression from reading/videos, that it can be difficult to get a precise/correct charge during cold periods as they work off gas pressures, differentials, all which are affected ambient air temps.

Is the 63% RH after operating for a few days? Still seems high for comfort. What is is the set point temperature you are trying trying to maintain in the house. My old single stage 4 ton (2,500 ft2 living area) maintains RH between 45 to 55 F at 73 F, most of the year. I’m still curious if you are getting sufficient run time on your HVAC to remove humidity to get it in the 40s & 50s.

I just called this morning to get an annual inspection (check gas pressures, amperage draw on motors, etc) and cleaning of my unit. I needed a pound of refrigerant last July so I know there is a minute leak somewhere, but up to this point it’s been cooling fine. I’ll ask the Tech about the difficulty of charging HVACs when it’s cold.
This post was edited on 5/17/19 at 7:10 pm
Posted by Wilson
Metairie
Member since Jul 2011
268 posts
Posted on 5/17/19 at 5:58 pm to
Who is the HVAC tech in Louisiana that does Youtube videos?
Posted by CrawDude
Baton Rouge
Member since Apr 2019
5558 posts
Posted on 5/17/19 at 6:59 pm to
“HVAC with John Israel”

Operated out of Alexandria area, but I think he may now be working out of Denham Springs for some company. Lately his videos have been more Video blogs with other HVAC Techs, maybe b/c he works for someone now rather than his own personal business. Anyway he has dozens of field service videos going back 5 or 6 years. I feel like I watched them all - learned a lot.
This post was edited on 5/17/19 at 7:53 pm
Posted by notsince98
KC, MO
Member since Oct 2012
18852 posts
Posted on 5/17/19 at 7:18 pm to
You really can't properly charge unless the outside temp is above 70.

Hopefully that was it.
Posted by kew48
Covington Louisiana
Member since Sep 2006
1235 posts
Posted on 5/18/19 at 1:48 pm to
A classic symptom of an oversized evap coil is high humidity ! There are some possible things you can try but the best is to correct the oversized coil problem. 1.5 tons is too much !
Posted by fishfighter
RIP
Member since Apr 2008
40026 posts
Posted on 7/23/19 at 8:39 am to
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1580 sqft house


Would of went with a 3 ton or bigger unit.
Posted by MikeBRLA
Baton Rouge
Member since Jun 2005
16717 posts
Posted on 7/23/19 at 7:02 pm to
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The tech came out - Said nothing wrong with units and how they were mismatched and installed.


Of course that’s what he said since they don’t want to admit their mistake and pay to correct it.

Lennox has what coils can be matched with what condensers on their website. Look up your model numbers on the chart and see if they match, if not, force them to install a matched system
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